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Conspiracies: A progression of persuasion

by James B.

February 26, 2007
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Re 9/11 and tooty-fruity conspiracy theories

First I want to apologize. I had no more than 90 seconds available to reply yesterday and I was cryptic; not meaning to be. Also been sick and this has clouded my communication ability. Let me try to get it better:

I understand that many people will be blown away by the shotgun approach. In my private life, I bring people up to speed slowly and methodically (if I can at all). But I have no forum on the web for a progression of persuasion. I say what I say and hope that at least a few here and there will be stirred to investigate.

Sometimes I get it nearly right, other times I blow it because I am rushed, stupid, etc.
 
I understand being rushed, believe me. No need to apologize for that. And you're clearly not stupid.
 

I want to mention just a few points that merit serious pondering and I will bother you no more on the subject.

1. Have you heard JFK's warning? That
 
The world is 180 degrees apart from what we are taught.

The leadership was bought out by financial interests following the Treason of 1913.

This is the Federal Reserve act.

It gave private bankers the sole right to print fake money and loan it out as real.

Since then USA has been a slave society, meaning you are actually working to pay the bankers. ...
 
Helen's reply: Do you believe we'd have a benign, benevolent government in America, were it not for the "Treason of 1913"?

Was that really the prominent turning point in American history, more so than the income tax, more than prohibition or drug prohibition, more than the lie-based war in Vietnam, more than the pardon of criminal Richard Nixon, more than the election theft of 2000, more than the lie-based war in Iraq?

is key. If we take him seriously (and why should we not?) then we need to take a close look at his words. I sent you the link and its only a 5 minute speech.
 
I've probably heard the warning from JFK that you're referring to, but my clunky old computer doesn't let me watch videos at Google, so the link you provided is a dead end for me. I do remember listening to audio of a warning from Kennedy. Probably it didn't make much of an impression on me, just because I've never been all that impressed with JFK.
 

2. Members of the UK Blair cabinet, British MI5 agents, the former German defense minister, Republicans from Bush and from Bush's and Reagan's cabinet, CIA veterans, FBI agents, science professors from prestigious universities -- and so many more -- are behind the claim of 911 being an attack from within. I have each one on video and can provide links. Why should these people stick their necks out? Most of them are Republicans! And the direct evidence is startling.
 
I've read a dozen books on the topic and I think I'm up on most of the 9/11 theories, evidence, counter-evidence, evidence holes, and counter-evidence holes. And the more I read, the more I know I'll never know what you've already claimed to know, "the truth of 9/11.
 

3. Once we discover that 911 was Treason, we should consider the full implications. i.e. Who is still with us? Note that the Democrats will not impeach Bush, even though he has usurped the law. What possible reason? Everyone hates Bush so there should be no political problem.

For example, the Military Commission Act of 2006 revokes habeas corpus at the presidents pleasure. This is a 900 year tradition and the very cornerstone of America. It is now known that Bush has presided over torture and secret CIA torture camps exist around the world. This has been widely condemned by the international community. And he LIED to start the Iraq war. This makes him a serial murderer of every human killed in the horrible affair.

So why is Pelosi not going to budge? Because she is part of it. With my own ears, I heard her son-in-law (on radio Netherlands) talk about meeting her at the CFR meetings. Cheney was also director (sent you the video link). If you don't know, CFR represents the Elite and aims for One World Government. Bush is a useful change agent. As was Clinton. Both sides of the Aisle controlled. But If they have to dump Bush, they will. No real harm done. The will own the next one too; Otherwise he gets a bullet to the brain.
 
I'm probably better informed about the Council on Foreign Relations than the average American is, but certainly not as informed about CFR as you are. I haven't researched it extensively, I simply despise it for what I believe it is -- one of several organizations for an elite membership. CFR appeals to a broad swathe of movers and shakers because it's more about being the elite and leading the rabble than about any one particular political agenda.

You see the CFR differently, I surmise, as something more sinister. So let me ask, in all seriousness, do you believe CFR is the ultimate enemy? Or do you believe another organization pulls the CFR's strings? Do you believe the CFR is working in collusion with the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergs, etc., all the other shadowy organizations I hear about from other conspiracists? Or do you believe all these organizations are competitors, working on separate century-long or longer agendas?

And I'd ask also, how is it pertinent whether the CFR is involved in the end of habeas corpus in America? Does pointing at CFR make it more likely, less likely, or in any way change the likelihood that we'll get habeas corpus back?

Nancy Pelosi is uninterested in impeachment because -- like almost all politicians -- she is a person of few political convictions, low integrity, and a strong desire for power. But she didn't have these traits handed to her when she joined CFR -- you have cause and effect reversed: Pelosi's not an asshole because she's in the CFR; she's in the CFR -- and she's Speaker of the House -- because she's a very accomplished asshole.
 

4. All the other subjects I tossed in: It's all one phenomena. The kernel is this: The world is 180 degrees apart from what we are taught. The leadership was bought out by financial interests following the Treason of 1913. This is the Federal Reserve act. It gave private bankers the sole right to print fake money and loan it out as real. Since then USA has been a slave society, meaning you are actually working to pay the bankers. This gave them funds far beyond the likes of Bill Gates; control of trillions of dollars. This money was used to build a pyramid structure. In this way they own everything, including the political arena, the media, control of the school curriculum, food supply, medicine. It's all by extension, which is how the pyramid works. The lower levels don't understand the higher ones but they know who butters their bread. Pls see the video on Google "the Money Masters" -- a very scholarly piece, it explains the whole history of this struggle. Jefferson also tried to warn us. (this is the meaning of the pyramid on the one dollar bill, with the "All seeing eye" over the top.
 
I guess I don't understand. Do you believe these pyramid schemers couldn't pull off whatever they're up to without including the pyramid on the currency, even as the symbol seems to provide the public with a rather daring clue to their nefarious intent? Do you believe the federal government wouldn't print fake money itself, if the Fed hadn't been created? Is printing fake money more evil because private bankers are doing it, than it would be if the Federal Reserve was just another federal agency doing stupid and un-American things? Do you believe we'd have a benign, benevolent government in America, were it not for the "Treason of 1913"? Was that really the prominent turning point in American history, more so than the income tax, more than prohibition or drug prohibition, more than the lie-based war in Vietnam, more than the pardon of criminal Richard Nixon, more than the election theft of 2000, more than the lie-based war in Iraq?

The Federal Reserve is rather like a fat un-squeezed pimple on my butt -- it's a pain in the ass and it shouldn't be there. But it also ain't cancer. It ain't in the top ten outrages of the 20th century.
 

5. These bankers have coordinated with other private bankers world-wide to create a covert Matrix of control. They were behind Hitler, Communism, Radical Islam movement, the 60's hippie drug movement, ERA. etc. (a little note, ERA was pushed to double the work force. It also gave the kids over to the state at an early age. Now, just try to exist on one spouse's income! there is no going back)
 
"Bankers," to me, means people with money who lend it to others and charge interest to make a profit... and nothing about that strikes me as especially sinister. So when you tell me "bankers" are behind every evil, all you're telling me is that money and greed are behind every evil, and that's fairly well known. I shrug. So what?

And I'm seriously not accusing you of anything, but it must be noted that "bankers" is often used as a code word for anti-Semitism -- a long-lasting conspiracy that's more real and done far more damage than the CFR, in my opinion.
 

6. This is the crux of the matter. They are not loyal to the concept of nation-state nor the common good. They decided the population was going to be a problem over 100 yrs ago. And technology would be too enabling for the common man -- the game would be discovered. Something had to be done. And this is it: A manufactured "End Times" scenario. They even have technology to create drought, earthquakes and Tsunamis -- which they have been doing vigorously the last few yrs. I can prove this to you very easily with official records.
 
Perhaps we disagree on the meaning of the word "prove." I don't doubt that you can present evidence of weather control, and it might be evidence I've already seen. Weather control is one of numerous topics that interest me, and I don't think it's nuts to suspect or claim that weather is being controlled.

It is, however, beyond plausible to claim you can prove it "very easily."

As for the rest of your preceding paragraph, I'm not even sure what you're talking about with a "manufactured 'End Times' scenario." Are you still talking about bankers, when you say they're more loyal to the concept of making money than to the concept of nation-states? If so I can only ask again, so what? I translate "making money" as shorthand for a desire to live in comfort and freedom, and I'm more "loyal" to comfort and freedom than any particular nation-state. Aren't you? Isn't just about everyone? Heck, I'm very fond of America, but if there was an easy way to immigrate to Canada I'd be writing you from there instead of Wisconsin.
 

I could go on for many hours. but this is the smallest understanding of it.

You are right. I am inviting you across a chasm. For it means the end of the casual joys of today. It means a new stark reality and high responsibility. My wife nearly came unglued when she finally "got it".

My brother in law has been unwilling to view a sequence of video evidence I put together. I understand why: It's subconscious dread and terror. He loves his dear simple country life in Vermont.

But this is the choice we are given (I believe by God). You can look away and be fine for now, but it will cost your children their lives. I cannot pay that price for a few years of "happiness", so dear are my little ones. It is mankind's ultimate test, in my view. I still pray that we are up to it.

Love and I wish you all success in your journey.

James
 
Sorry, but lines about dread and terror, or claims that my skepticism will cost my children's lives, are akin to threats from evangelists -- If I don't heed the call of Jesus today, I'll burn in hell tomorrow. It's just Pascal's wager, with the CFR substituting for God. It's not evidence, it's an argument for sidestepping the lack of evidence.

But I agree wholeheartedly when you say you could go on for hours on this subject, and so could I. It's an enjoyable conversation.

Problem is, it takes me a long time to write a coherent paragraph, and it takes longer when I'm trying to be cordial, and time is something I don't have lots of. And even if you convinced me that the CFR is behind everything, I don't see how that knowledge would help salvage freedom in America, help end the American taxpayer-paid slaughter in the Middle East, help avert the coming catastrophe of global warming, or help in any of the matters we're passionate about. A conversation about conspiracies seems to me irrelevant to anything except further talk about further conspiracies.

So while the conversation has been fun, sir, and I'd be pleased if you choose to answer the questions I've asked here, I do kinda need to get back to things that matter to me, so we'll soon need to bring this discussion to a close.


Helen & Harry

Debby responds, Bryan replies
 




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