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Dialogue: March 3 - 9, 2007
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Israel's urgent warning

by E13

March 9, 2007
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Israel warns its citizens to leave Egypt, Jordan
 
Excerpt: Israel has warned its citizens to immediately leave Egypt and Jordan, the only Arab states with which it has full ties, out of concern they could come under attack, a government official said on Wednesday.

The advisory was issued on the recommendation of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's Counter-terrorism Unit, which this week placed Egypt and Jordan in its highest threat category, alongside enemy states such as Iran, Syria and Lebanon. Israeli officials gave no further details.

Israel HAS to stop the Arab peace efforts!!! This will be an attack that will be blamed on Hamas, perhaps?? More Israelis dressed as Arabs?? It's a favorite tool these days.

E13
 
Something's going to happen in the near future, it seems, that might inspire acts of violence against Israelis in the Middle East. There are several possibilities of what that trigger event might be, but none are delightful to anyone but the warmongers.

Helen & Harry
 



Alibis to justify the Bush-Cheney Reich

by Mr. Chuckles

March 9, 2007
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We're in Afghanistan still because the Taliban continue to resist our puppet regime and fight back against the occupation forces. If *only* they would surrender and consent to be governed by Bush's puppets, then we could torture, imprison and execute them all and then we would have peace in Afghanistan! But no, they continue to resist. Why can't they lay back and accept their dominion by Amerika? ... MORE ...

Mr. Chuckles



In favor of sex

by JR Mooneyham

March 9, 2007
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This will surely become the most popular page on my-wild-side.com.

Sexual abstinence is bad for you
 
Excerpt: It's a proven medical fact: sexual abstinence is bad for you. Here's just a tiny sampling of the many, many reasons why we should have all the sex we can.

JR Mooneyham
Walk Like a Kryptonian



WTC photos

by SirJ

March 9, 2007
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Photos: WTC relics

one picture (part of what I believe is the core of the tower is visible behind the front row of buildings)

(large size of previous photo)

and the whole page these are from is worth a look.

SirJ
 
Remarkable, isn't it, what nineteen guys can accomplish with only box-cutters and stubborn determination...

I wasn't aware that the skeleton of either tower was as tall as it appears in the first photo...


Helen & Harry

SirJ responds
 



Sankara Saranam's Real Secret

by Herb Ruhs, MD

March 9, 2007
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This from the e-mail newsletter from the web site of Sankara Saranam, author of God Without Religion".

I thought the piece was interesting. The web site seems hokey in the way that the piece criticizes as characteristic of spiritual con games!? OTOH, the piece stands by itself as a thoughtful comment on the concept of happiness in the context of our dominant and very sick worldwide society of materialistic liars and deniers.

"The Secret," the movie especially, but also the book, edited by Rhonda Byrne, is the latest fad in the New Age subculture. I find the New Age subculture is both entertaining and very sad. Of all the sadness that I encounter the New Age system of fantasy and denial is the most gut wrenching for me. How could so many people expend so much good intention with so little effect? How could they be so clever and obtuse at the same time?

My criticisms notwithstanding, I am curious enough to have put the book on my wish list on Powell's as a possible reading project. All my wish lists are public viewable at the Powell's site by using my e-mail address -- hruhs@pacific.net -- in case you are curious about what I would like to be reading.

herb

> The Real Secret
> By Sankara Saranam
>
> Health and wealth never made anyone happy. That goes for Rhonda
> Byrne, Oprah,
> Jack Canfield, and the rest of ‘em.
>
> They tell you otherwise because they, like so many of us,
> desperately want to
> believe happiness can come from things as ultimately meaningless as
> possessions, a large bank account, or a whole body.
>
> They tell you otherwise because, like missionaries battling their
> own gnawing
> doubts, their belief receives cheap assurance the more nods they
> can get from
> people poorer and sicker than them.
>
> They will tell you their rags to riches life stories, leaving out
> all the
> details except that they were poor, they applied the snake oil they
> are now
> trying to sell you, and got rich.
>
> They will tell you how to brew the snake oil for yourself. They
> will hold
> snake oil seminars just in case you couldn’t figure things out or
> motivate
> yourself enough from reading their books.
>
> They will even tell you that you can scientifically test their oil,
> because
> by the time you do they will have long since cashed your check (and
> realized
> they are no more happy, and perhaps a bit more unhappy, than they
> were before
> they conned a few million people) and you will have long since sold
> their
> book on E-bay for twenty-nine cents.
>
> And just who are they, really? Through the annals of history, they
> have
> always been with us. They are not merely the authors of The Secret.
> “They” is
> another word for graft. Graft used to be the monopoly of monarchs and
> organized religions. Now, all graft masters bow to commercialism.
>
> They will tell you that happiness comes from belonging, just don’t
> be too
> critical of the beliefs of the narrow clique to which they want you
> to belong.
>
> They will tell you that happiness comes from giving your power
> away, from
> idolizing people. Masses and conferences will be instituted to give
> you a
> chance to meet your idol. And just when you were sure there’s no
> chance
> you’ll ever become an idol yourself, they’ll institute American Idol.
>
> They will describe in detail how to disempower yourself, all the while
> calling their lesson self-empowerment.
>
> They will teach you how not to look within and call it meditation,
> how not to
> think and call it mindfulness, and how to be as miserable as you
> possibly can
> be and call it joy.
>
> They will instruct in an irrational sense of personal
> responsibility because
> it places an unreasonable burden on the individual and frees their
> conscience
> of their own irresponsibility to others. They will never speak a
> peep about
> shared responsibility, because that would mean sacrificing all of
> their
> excess wealth (of which there’s billions).
>
> And all they absolutely must not do, if they want to continue being
> liked, is
> challenge our sense of self.
>
> Graft we have seen, but even Judeo-Christian graft masters never
> called their
> mythic saviors and heroes wealthy or wealth-seekers. The churches
> of the
> world certainly sought wealth, but they were far too discreet to
> say that
> serving God was about getting rich.
>
> But today’s graft masters don’t bother with a modicum of shame or
> modesty.
> They are deadly honesty. L. Ron Hubbard was an early pioneer of
> shamelessness, but not to be outdone The Secret author, in one
> stroke of her
> pen, equates herself with the founders of Western religion, whom she
> calls “prosperity teachers.”
>
> Notice how there were no female prosperity teachers back then,
> though there
> was a lot of female property? Too bad Abraham never taught his
> servants the
> secret. Anyway, when was the last time you counted a man’s
> happiness, not to
> mention godliness, in his heads of cattle, wives, sons, and slaves and
> concubines? Being hungry and thirsty is no fun, but not being
> hungry and
> thirsty is just being at zero. It’s not a fountain of bliss; it’s
> just the
> negative release from a kind of discomfort that gets worse with
> time. Thus
> poverty, while being a negative, does not mean wealth is a
> positive. Saying
> otherwise is The Lie.
>
> The Hebrew patriarchs, if they even existed, did not have running
> water,
> electricity, or pumps to get water out of the parched earth. They
> didn’t even
> have shovels, and they certainly didn’t have millions of adoring
> fans. Not
> one of the “dream team” behind The Secret would trade places with
> any of them.
>
> Especially because, last I checked, Abraham’s godliness was
> measured in what
> he was willing to sacrifice, not horde. As for Moses and Jesus being
> millionaires... sigh.
>
> Did you ever hear the story of the Mumbai family that lived in a
> shanty
> village? I’ve been to Mumbai in the summer and smelled the reek of
> shanty
> villages. They are crowded, rat infested slums that make St. Louis
> city look
> like a pleasure cruise. The head of this particular family got a
> job and was
> able to move his family to an apartment building. A few months
> later, he
> moved his family back into their leaking shanty because his wife
> missed the
> community support and kinship. Anyone could just walk into her
> shanty home,
> and she loved and missed it.
>
> One apparent secret is that the happiest people in the world are
> largely the
> people who, by the standards of a Western lifestyle, had little to
> be happy
> about. The rest of the happy people that happened to have some
> money were
> smart enough to look for their happiness in their self-knowledge - --
> a self
> that identifies with others and knows itself in everyone and
> everything. It’s
> the one place to find happiness that we all already know about,
> which is why
> we have to repeatedly pay people to help us forget it.
>
> And now we come to the real secret: the only secret is the truth we
> want to
> forget.
>
> Meanwhile, population increase mathematically means less wealth for
> everyone,
> no matter how many lies you affirm to yourself. It also means more
> war, more
> global warming, and sadly, more popularity for books that help us
> forget our
> responsibility for whatever disaster awaits us.
> ------- End of Forwarded Message -------




Tortured in training

by Richard W.

March 9, 2007
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Re Water tortured

I will try and answer your question as to why such a technique was used. We were told such techniques were used by the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese to try and break American pilots into confessing war crimes. But getting an exposure to this torture did not seem to be of any benefit that would help us survive real captivity. We were also told that this was a new training technique, and I found out later from new arrivals in Vietnam that this particular technique was discontinued.

I have often wondered if any real study was done on those who had undergone this type of torture to see what if or any lasting effects this had later in life.

Wishing you all the best...

Richard
 
Even if I really open my imagination, to see some sliver of usefulness in giving soldiers an exposure to the torture they might hypothetically face as prisoners, even hypothetically granting that (and I'm not sure I do) there's just nothing but cruelty in what they did to you without your consent. You were the victim of a crime, and the criminals got away with it, and it's all infuriating and utterly un-American.

Thanks for talking about it, and I hope you'll eventually be at peace within.


Helen & Harry

Richard W. responds
 



UK rejects stamps honoring war dead

by UselessEater

March 8, 2007
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The front page illustration is not so important to the story but the artist's quote below is (and I don't know or care what winning the Ashes means)

McQueen is desperate for the Royal Mail to make real stamps out of his replicas. "The idea of bending down to pick up a letter and that those who have died who look out at you seems immensely powerful. It seems we can have stamps to mark winning the Ashes -- but not this," he said.

Useless Eater
spitting-image.net



AIPAC's reward

by Kathy Fisher

March 8, 2007
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AIPAC speaker hopes US gets nuked
after Israel provokes war with Russia
 
Excerpt: So you see, John Hagee, who wants to see Israel adopt a hawkish foreign policy that he believes will result in its destruction at the hands of a Russo-Arab alliance is a friend of the Jews. By contrast, everyone who thinks a little pressure to make peace could wind up helping Israel in the long run is an anti-Semite.

From the people all you politicians in DC took money from, here is your reward!

Kathy Fisher



Put America first, second, third, and fourth in priorities

by Danny A.

March 8, 2007
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Re If you want your America back

I fully agree with the article on taking back the country, and needing only 20% of the people in the streets to bring about change. I think the first thing is to get those politicians out of those offices in Washington, and start too with the local ones, they are just as bad, maybe not as badly compromised. A grassroots campaign in every state should do it.

I am in Maryland, and we have reps here that aren't worth the time of day, most of what they do is try to find more ways to tax people. I haven't seen a decent one in thirty years. I would not be surprised to find the MD reps have been compromised by back door deals in Washington.

Any, I mean any politician that does NOT put AMERICA first, second, third, and fourth in priorities, does not deserve the privilege of serving the citizenry in such a trusted capacity. That's enough ranting for me, hehehhehe,

Incidentally, I REAAAALLY like your site. Donations will be forthcoming.

Danny A.
 
Spread the word, kind stranger, and that'll be donation enough. Not so much the word about Unknown News -- though we'd appreciate that -- but more important the word that we're headed full speed ahead for the end of America, and that's no exaggeration.

If we don't stop these insane leaders with their daydreams of things more important than the Constitution and igniting World War III, the land called America will still be here, but the concepts and principles and everything that makes America America will be over.

So please, help us by spreading the word -- what's going on isn't "politics as usual," it's the beginning of the end, and time is short for saving democracy.


Helen & Harry
 



Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae: Now officially capsizing

by name withheld

March 8, 2007
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You can add the following official citation of Ben Bernanke
"Large investment portfolios held by mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may imperil the broader economy and should be "anchored" to their affordable housing mission, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said on Tuesday."
from Bernanke: Fannie, Freddie threaten economy to your page, Looters in the White House. ... anonymously yours,

name withheld



Purge instead of surge?

by Wig

March 8, 2007
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Iraqi MP: Some lawmakers to lose immunity
 
Excerpt: Iraq's Parliament is to be asked to strip immunity from several of its members to allow them to be investigated for various alleged crimes, senior lawmaker Abbas al-Bayyati said Wednesday.

Purge instead of surge?

Wig



Update on my brother's murder by sheriff's deputies in San Diego

by Kristopher Hayes

March 7, 2007
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We were initially told that the investigation of my brother's "suicide by cop" would take up to twelve days to be completed. Now they say we won't ever find out when they conclude their investigation and may need to read it in a newspaper. We know that whatever their report concludes, Shane's death will never be justified. Something has to be done regarding Police who act in such a way. There had to be incompetence and mishandling of this situation and it seems to only be continuing to this date. ... MORE ...

Kristopher "Kritter" Hayes



Water tortured

by Richard W.

March 7, 2007
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I read your article and wanted to share my own experience dealing with water torture. I was in advanced helicopter flight training when we went through an "escape and evasion" course at Ft. Stewart, Ga. We were given classes all day long and no food and little drink. As the sun set, we were told to try and make it to a "safe area" by going through a swamp which was patrolled by "enemy soldiers", troops from Ft. Gordon, Ga.

My bad luck, I was captured and taken to a "POW" compound. I was the first of our group of captives chosen to be put into a ditch that was about 3 feet deep, whereupon, 2 boards were placed so that I was in a half-squatting position with my head sticking out of slots that were cut in the 2 boards so my head was at ground level looking like a golf ball teed up. Two interrogators were kneeling on the boards, one in front of my face and one behind my head. The one behind, placed a plastic sandbag over my head and tightened it until my face was flattened while the other poured water down the front of the bag so that each time I tried to breath, all I was getting was water. I panicked and with a huge shot of adrenaline, I was able to lift both interrogators off the boards. They added 4 more interrogators, 2 in front and 2 behind my head. The water was poured again until I passed out. They lifted the bag long enough for me to revive, asked questions that I would not answer except name, rank and serial number. The bag was then put over my head again and the water was poured once more down the front. Same results, I passed out again.

Since I would not answer their questions, I was released from further torture. A week later, I graduated from Warrant Officer Flight Training and 5 weeks later, I reported for duty in Vietnam. After about 5 weeks in Vietnam, I suffered from my first panic attack. Not from combat but getting up in front of a night class on the importance of drinking enough water to prevent dehydration. Officers had to give these classes as part of our extra duty.

To this day, almost 38 years later, these panic attacks still haunt me.

Richard W.
 
Have a hug from both of us, kind sir. I can easily see how such torture -- there's really no other word for it that isn't a lie -- could haunt you or anyone for as long as life lasts. Can I ask you just one question, sir, one thing I can't quite grasp --

Is there any conceivable way that what was done to you would make anyone a better soldier? Anything other than pure vicious savagery that explains why such a technique would be used on American troops engaged in war games?


Helen & Harry

Richard W. responds
 



God and Satan

by SirJ

March 7, 2007
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Modern day kamikaze aims for Mom-in-Law, misses

SirJ
 
There's a fucker who'll burn in hell. It would be pretty funny if he hadn't taken his daughter ... well, actually it's still pretty funny, as far as other people's catastrophes go.

Helen & Harry
 

Somehow I knew it would brighten your day. :-) This guy is going to catch hell from both God and Satan -- from God for killing his daughter and from Satan for missing her Granny!

SirJ
 
I'm probably too broad-minded, but if he hadn't killed his own daughter -- damn me, that's sick -- my assumption would be that his mother-in-law might've been involved in driving this fucker insane. I always try to see the other guy's perspective, maybe I try too hard...

Helen & Harry
 

WISH-TV has a video of an interview with the mother-in-law. She has too much anger in her, and not enough grief. From the hubby's perspective, once he's dead, his daughter will be raised by his ex-wife and his mother-in-law. I'm guessing he blames the mother-in-law for filling his ex-wife with hate for him, and didn't want the same to happen to his daughter. So he took her with him to keep her out of the clutches of Ma Kettle. [Not the best metaphor; The Ma Kettle character was a much more loving person.]

SirJ
 
No excuse for any of it, of course, but rather like the terrorists who hate America, it's worthwhile to ponder why.

Helen & Harry
 



Déjŕ vu

by Wig

March 7, 2007
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Missing Iranian spy chief 'defected to West'
 
Excerpt: Any intelligence that would help Israel or the West to fill in those important blanks would have direct bearing on whether an armed strike were launched against Iran.

Didn't Iraqi defectors go this rout supplying now discredited info????

*           *           *
Missing Iranian official being questioned in N. Europe
 
Excerpt: The Iranian former deputy defense minister who disappeared in neighboring Turkey last month is being questioned in a northern European country under strict supervision, the pan-Arab newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat reported Wednesday.

According to the newspaper, published in London, Ali Reza Asghari is undergoing thorough investigation by intelligence forces before being transferred to the United States.

Another CIA caper? The mystery deepens.

Wig



Every one of these useless fuckheads

by Marvin A.

March 7, 2007
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Why in the name of all that is good and holy does not one person in the house of representatives or the senate take any kind of action or at least start screaming at the top of his or her fucking lungs every time that asshole of a president we have issues a "signing statement"?

They are absolutely null. They have no effect on law. He is telling everyone that he intends to break the law which he does and not one of these fuckers is actively doing anything about it.

Time is way past to get rid of every one of these useless fuckheads.

Marvin A.



Straight jacket

by xochi Y.

March 7, 2007
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Re Skip the impeachment

Straight jacket? Since big brother may be watching, I'll just say, remember the renditioning to secret torture camps? The electric shock, severe beatings, sleep and food deprivation, sexual abuse, and waterboarding at Abu Ghraib? The innocent victims of phosphorus bombings in Fallujah?

xochi Y.



Two words

by Carol A.

March 7, 2007
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Re Judge Judy, George Bush, and nineteen nutballs with box-cutters

Very clever.

Carol A.



Oh, the American are unhappy

by Joerg C.

March 6, 2007
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US displeased over German hunt for CIA agents
 
Excerpt: The case of Khaled al-Masri, who has German citizenship but is of Lebanese descent, is not the only case in Europe focusing on possible misconduct of CIA agents. Prosecutors in Milan want the Italian government to get Interpol involved in their hunt for 26 Americans, many of them CIA agents, accused of having assisted in the kidnapping and imprisonment of the Egyptian Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, also known as Abu Omar. He had been granted refugee status in Italy and was abducted in Milan in December 2003 before being flown to Cairo where he was tortured so badly that he suffered major kidney damage.

Similar criminal investigations are also being carried out in Portugal and Switzerland.

Oh, the American are unhappy. Do they think they're the Soviets who can push around their "allies"?

Joerg C.



Insurance paid for Building Seven

by SirJ

March 6, 2007
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Re BBC lost its homework

The insurance company which paid Silverstein Properties $861 million for the collapse of WTC 7 will be taking one hard look at their award. The demolition of WTC 7 should rank it as one of the largest insurance frauds in history. I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet. This story is far from over.

Silverstein may use insurance money to pay bondholders
 
Excerpt: Industrial Risk Insurers is set to pay around $861 million to Silverstein for the lost building, which the company has owned since the 1980's, long before it acquired the master lease on the WTC. The debt on the property is around $383 million, much of it securitized as mortgage bonds.

They did make the pay out:

LINK:
 
Excerpt: “At 52 stories, the new building will be five stories taller than its predecessor and more slender, because the building site has been reduced. The $700 million project -- paid for largely with insurance settlements -- will have 1.7 million square feet of space, compared with 2 million square feet in the old building. Like the old 7 World Trade Center, the commercial office building will sit on top of a Con Ed electrical substation, which will take up the equivalent of the first 10 floors of the structure.

*           *           *
Modern day kamikaze aims for Mom-in-Law, misses. What a way to go!

Plane hits home, killing pilot, daughter
Preliminary investigation indicates plane crash was intentional, officials say


SirJ



A revolution with words

by Kathy

March 6, 2007
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Obama is bombing. He's a phony and an Israel-first man. I am waiting for the revolution, but if Nader or Ron Paul are on the ballot I will vote for them ... and i'm still not sure if Ron Paul's slate is clean yet. Still digging.

People are buying the cheaper car parts and they're still bitchin about the price. Where my husband works, business has really died down!! The house of cards is falling.

Hell, but they are buying lotto tickets as fast as the machines can print them!

*           *           *
Dear friends, the dangerous nuts are running the world. We are in serious deep doo doo. My dreams the last two nights have been about the coming police state. Horrible.

In one dream the cops were being killed by a secret private organization working for the fascists. How bad did it get? Bridges were closed from joining cities.

My husband and I just keep running and driving away from this madness in my dreams... something's coming real soon, I can feel it! I know you are having the nightmares too.

I'd rather take a walk in the 10 degree weather and hear and feel the wind than look at that sh*t-head is doing a press conference. Don't want to see or hear him! Another embarrassing mess he's made. This time it's the veterans and the shoddy care they're receiving! Such a sin! Such a pity!

This bush junta is a curse on the world, let alone our nation. They make us mad and ashamed and we who care and choose to do something walk around feeling bruised and beaten. We have to reach out to our lone source of kinship, this thing we call the internet. It makes us feel not so alone... a revolution with words. They can't take it from us because they need it to see what we are up to.

Kathy



I don't understand

by Jamaar B.

March 6, 2007
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You're all over anyone who mentions conspiracy theories, but you take SirJ's information about Building Seven at face value. I don't understand the difference.

Jamaar B.
 
Then you don't understand the difference between evidence and the absence of evidence.

SirJ has presented evidence, establishing to my satisfaction that the BBC reported Building 7's collapse half an hour before it collapsed. He hasn't claimed (and nobody's presented anywhere near adequate evidence) that Bilderbergs, Rosicrucians, the Council on Foreign Relations, Princess Di, or John or John-John Kennedy were involved.


Helen & Harry
 



Now comes the scary part

by Daniel F.

March 6, 2007
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To fully comprehend the folly of attacking Iran I would suggest you take a look at the map of Central Command or Centcom facilities on Muslim soil. As soon as I saw these maps, I fully understood the madness of our war planners.

Centcom says it depends on the good will of host nations. What would any rational adult expect to happen if we used dozens of nuclear weapons one-third to one-half the size of the Hiroshima bomb against Muslim civilians in Iran?

We currently have over 550 airplanes stationed in Centcom nations with dozens of facilities and support units. The reactions in those nations could range from cutting off the water to sabotage and terrorism and full scale assaults by armored divisions against poorly equipped base security staff. We would be lucky if our troops got out alive.

Now comes the scary part. What if the people who hatched this mad idea of attacking Iran did not care? What if, to paraphrase I.T. workers, "it is not a bug but a feature." What if the plan was to place our troops in such peril that the nation would accept full-scale nuclear war against people who are currently our allies in order to commit genocide?

Would you even want to live under a government where the leaders were that insane?

Daniel F.
Opening Inner Space



What do I call this?

by Herb Ruhs, MD

March 6, 2007
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In war, the injustice done to children on both sides far outweighs the sum of all the rest of the injustices committed on either side.

Herb Ruhs, MD



Under the rug

by Wig

March 6, 2007
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US seizes Afghan shooting footage
 
Excerpt: US forces in Afghanistan tried to confiscate video and destroy photographic evidence taken after a shooting incident that left at least 10 civilians dead, witnesses have told Al Jazeera.

With due aknowledgement of the need for our troops to defend themselves, nevertheless these types of incidences seem to be continually swept under the rug and leaves Americans to conclude terrorists are responsible for all the casualties to civilians.
Wig



Skip the impeachment

by Patricia L.

March 6, 2007
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Re Yeah, but what about all the insourcing?

Tony T., do you really think those few jobs have made a difference to the American people? Just think of the millions who have lost their jobs to outsourcing?

The corporate bigwigs just put bigger bonuses in their pockets and the middle class is slowly disappearing. Millions of Americans are without healthcare because all they can find are part-time jobs at Wal-Mart. Part-time employees do NOT have to be covered by health insurance. Millions are homeless because of outsourcing. How do you justify that? Oh Goodie! Some foreign companies have sent a few jobs to us. Are we supposed to lick their hands and wag our tails like good dogs?

Bush needs to get his head out of his ass. It's been up there too long. I'm now thinking he should not be impeached. They should haul him away in a straight jacket for the good of all.

Patricia L.

xochi Y. responds



The country is called pallistine

by barbndeanc

March 6, 2007
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There are no Pallistine Peoples you dumb shits,they are all arabs.The country is called pallistine. Wake up fools.

unsigned
barbndeanc@aol.com



A heads up P.S.

by Mr. Chuckles

March 5, 2007
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Re When interest rates fall

There is an antiwar.com article today about how the Democrats are ending up as co-owners of the Iraq war (moreso than now even.) If a D wins the White House in 2008 and the war is still going on (hmmm.....maybe not...) then they will be in a bad position. I pretty much give up on them now! And Justin Raimondo's article is teeth-gnashing -- about Obama getting all war-like for Israel. That guy is definitely not getting my vote... I might even stop voting!

Regardless of the politics nationally, unless the Demos do something about the war and the constitution then globally America is really fucked. We are no longer moral leaders, but are rather, the worst of the worst. It is a joke for drudgereport.com and the rest to get all lathered up about China increasing their military spending. We spend nearly 1 trillion a year on our military, assuming you include interest on prior war debts and accrued liabilities for future expenditures and obligations incurred.

Sooooo..... where was I... following the news with keen interest and kinda figuring that something will break before what I imagine will happen actually does. Sometimes a slow slide turns into a nasty fall.

Mr. Chuckles



BBC lost its homework

by SirJ

March 5, 2007
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Re Gives new meaning to the term "preliminary reports"

This is a short vid

with the time stamp. I just checked it and it worked fine for me. You need the audio to hear the announcer say the building has collapsed. If that video doesn't work, you can try any of the SEVENTY-FIVE videos now listed.

The freedom of the Internet has outdone the censors for the moment. The BBC employee who came up with the dumb "lost my homework" excuse will receive a failing grade on the next evaluation, never be promoted, and likely be terminated at some point using an unrelated "cock-up" to hide the real motive for the firing.

SirJ
 
Of course, we've all seen other video of reporters getting other facts either wrong or "wrong" in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. And in several of those audios and videos, especially in the first few hours after the buildings went down, I can give reporters the benefit of the doubt. When we're talking about early reports of smoke from the White House, or a fifth hijacked jet, or other such 'news' later debunked, it's pretty easy to envision that in a vacuum of information hysteria might sound plausible, and rumors might sound like reliable reports.

But a BBC reporter reporting that a building has collapsed, half an hour before it collapses -- that's a very different kind of error, not the routine sort of "cock-up" where a reporter gets something wrong. "If we reported the building had collapsed before it had done so," says the BBC 'apology', it would have been an error -- no more than that."

Nope, sorry, that doesn't cut it. A reporter gets a name wrong, a rumor makes it on the air, a factoid doesn't check out under scrutiny, OK, that's one thing. But how does a reporter get the existence or non-existence of a building wrong? How does a reporter "mistake" a standing 47-storey building for a pile of rubble, half an hour before the building does indeed become rubble? It defies credulity, as do so many things about 9/11...


Helen & Harry
 

BBC's precognition will make sense once you watch this video. Listen carefully to what the owner of WTC 7 and leasee of WTC 1 & 2, the twin towers, Larry Silverstein, says:
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
I took him a year to reply to a question on what "pull it" meant. He said it referred to the team of firemen in the building. Did "it" refer to the building or the firemen? Quite a few firemen are now on record that they were ordered to have everyone move away from the building because it was either in imminent danger of collapsing, was going to collapse, or was going to be brought down (answers varied with who testified). This page at Prison Planet has quotes from quite a few firemen and others. I like this part at the very end of that page:
"At 5:30 p.m., about 20 minutes after the last firefighters evacuated the collapse zone, 7 WTC collapsed. It was the third steel-frame high-rise in history to collapse from fire--the other two had collapsed earlier that day."
("World Trade Center Disaster: Initial Response," Fire Engineering, 9/2002)
Well, there you have it: Within a very few minutes of the last firemen evacuating the collapse zone, BBC announces it has collapsed. Curiously wonderful timing on the part of both BBC and the Fire Department, considering WTC 7 was only the 3rd high-rise building to collapse from fire in the history of the world. There hasn't been a 4th collapse.

The debris field of WTC 7 is extremely compact, as the photo in the bottom right of this page clearly shows. It's not easy to make tall buildings collapse so totally into a nice compact debris field, even under controlled demotion. Using explosives is no guarantee of making a building collapse as this demonstrates . This is the building Timothy McVeigh attacked.

But all the oddities of WTC 7 collapse could just be coincidence. It has been said that a team of government sources who wish to remain anonymous would eventually type out the combined works of Shakespeare given enough time. It too would just be propaganda -- sorry, I meant to type "coincidence."

SirJ
 
The new thing in all this, to me, is the BBC pre-report. Everything else I'd already seen, and still, in a mix of skeptical and stubborn, I was at the edge of being convinced but not quite. But eight hours after the first two towers went down, there's really only one plausible "mistake" that explains a reporter "mistakenly" reporting a third building's collapse, half an hour before it happens.

So now I'm convinced: Building 7 was brought down on purpose -- which re-raises the lingering questions of the bigger buildings that went down in a similar surprisingly, neat, tidy pile.


Helen & Harry

SirJ responds
 



Viva la cab drivers

by Kathy Fisher

March 5, 2007
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I waltzed into my usual watering hole, which for me is a near by coffee shop, and I was hailed over by my cab driver friends who know they can get the truth and some down to earth conversation. Right away we got down to business, and we weren't quiet about it either. We discussed the Bush cabal and their involvement with 911 and the latest bullshit about going into Iran, but we kept coming back to those buildings and how they fell, especially #7. We always come to the same conclusion -- the neocons did it, and they did it for their own self righteous reasons.

I can always count on the cabbies. They know shit when they see it. Had a raucous, delightful hour of uninterrupted hate fest for the neocons from both parties -- we see no difference. They're all out to get us. They want our freedom.

It was funny, the employees at the coffee shop were getting in on it too, and we did wave to the cameras on the ceiling as they were pointed in our direction. All these guys go on the internet they know about the 911 truth movement. They read the stuff I send them and write, and they also blog. They are fed up with the lies.

A local moron came in and tried to steer our conversation in another direction but we totally ignored his efforts. The topic was way above his head anyway, so he left discouraged.

Another man walked in and sat at the table next to us by himself, Mr Redsocks, we called him. Maybe he got the socks for Valentines Day. He gave us discerning looks, so immediately we dubbed him a spy for the other side. We kept speaking our minds, but cab drivers have to go to work, so alas, our talk ended only to be continued another night...

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Obama: U.S. should never dictate what's best for Israel
 
Excerpt: In a powerfully pro-Israel speech, Democratic presidential candidate US Senator Barack Obama clarified that Israel and the United States do not have the luxury to ignore the exhortations of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and “no option, including military action, (should be taken) off the table” in the effort to stop Iran's nuclear armament.

Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, Obama, your secret's out! I echo the words of Mike Rivero, Is there any candidate running who is NOT a whore for Israel?

Kathy Fisher



Great Spaghetti-Monster deity of America's quasi-pasta culture

by DanD

March 5, 2007
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Re Conspiracy toward a globally massive, RADICAL die-off of the human species

H sez "'want to' Oh good lord, no. I'm willing, but that's not quite the same thing."

Damn, I'm gettin' simple-minded! Sorry, I didn't introduce the "spin" right --

Let's see now, how to make it "more appealing" ... Oh, I got it!

Instead let's say, "Want to PLAY with this idea now?" (Ya' know, the traditional "Tom Sawyer" technique of participation bamboozlement)

(In the meantime, starting about two days ago, I've been time-consumptively distracted by a hurtin' head gasket on my truck. However, if the great Spaghetti-Monster deity of America's quasi-pasta culture looks up at me from the blessed Round-Table, deep-dish plate of benevolence, I should be able to throw out the first brush-strokes of bamboozlement in about 48 hours ... ',:-\ )

DanD
 
We don't do deadlines, so time is never of the essence. And did I sound less than thrilled? (I'm chuckling, hope you are too.) This isn't a topic that naturally fascinates me, as I think you know, so I'm not particularly looking forward to a Bilderberg conversation -- but when you're ready, I promise a fair hearing.

Helen & Harry
 



Sociopathic government

by Z.

March 5, 2007
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You might find this interesting:

Michael B. Nifong and the sociopathic state
by William L. Anderson, LewRockwell.com

Which leads to a 10 PART SERIES:
 
Excerpt: Hundreds of times during the past 10 years, federal agents and prosecutors have pursued justice by breaking the law.

They lied, hid evidence, distorted facts, engaged in cover-ups, paid for perjury and set up innocent people in a relentless effort to win indictments, guilty pleas and convictions, a two-year Post-Gazette investigation found.

Rarely were these federal officials punished for their misconduct. Rarely did they admit their conduct was wrong.

New laws and court rulings that encourage federal law enforcement officers to press the boundaries of their power while providing few safeguards against abuse fueled their actions.

Victims of this misconduct sometimes lost their jobs, assets and even families. Some remain in prison because prosecutors withheld favorable evidence or allowed fabricated testimony. Some criminals walk free as a reward for conspiring with the government in its effort to deny others their rights. ...

This is relevant to the ongoing saga of the imprisoned border patrol agents who were victims of prosecutorial zeal -- the person they shot in the butt is a Mexican drug smuggler who was caught smuggling drugs while given immunity... for drug smuggling. I don't know about you but while I am sure a flesh wound in the keister is damn painful, it probably isn't enough to justify sending these schmoes to prison for so many years...especially since the jury was not informed about the background of the victim.

ALSO, this is interesting because I recall that Unknown News covers "Stinky Badges"... and it appears that the stink goes far beyond the badges -- all the way up to the Stinky Suits.

Best wishes,

Z.
 
The stink usually goes up to the suits. The badges couldn't get away with their stink if the suits gave a damn about integrity.

We discussed the Border Patrol case a few months ago, and I was stubborn at first but eventually came to see that the situation has a stinky aura about it, and indeed the stink seems to rise higher than the badges. I haven't seen any noteworthy developments in this matter recently -- updates welcome, if anyone's seen anything. The right-wing is furious about the prosecution of these agents, though, so I'd be surprised if they don't get eventually a pardon from the Cheney administration.

That series in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette was excellent, as I recall from reading it several years ago. But now it looks like the paper has taken the articles off-line, so they can sell reprints.


Helen & Harry
 



Peter Sellers

by Kevin Good

March 5, 2007
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I admire Peter Sellers. You can watch one of his movies a second or third time and see something funny you missed the first go round.

Kevin Good
 
Oh, yes and yes again. Being There. Doc Strangelove. Never much cared for the Pink Panthers and I loved The Mouse that Roared, but haven't seen it since childhood -- does it hold up?

Helen & Harry
 

The Mouse North Korea that roared by setting off a nuclear detonation seems to have gotten the aid they wanted from America. The chase for the oil prize looks like the chase scene round and around the Town Square at the end of The Pink Panther. I am the old guy who brought his chair out to watch. I hope it doesn't all end with Slim Pickens riding the big one into Terran like the end of Dr Strangelove. We are just by Chance Being There.

Kevin Good



Closing in on mari j wanna

by Wig

March 5, 2007
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Marigolds make way for marijuana in suburbia
 
Excerpt: "It's the most impressive thing I've seen in 20 years of law enforcement," says Lt. Jody Thomas of the Fayette County Drug Taskforce."

LOL!! I'm not a druggie myself, but perhaps it is time to legalize the product and have at least some control of the trade.

Wig



Did anything change last November?

by Lance Boyle

March 5, 2007
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Bush picks manufacturing lobbyist to head consumer product safety
 
Excerpt: Bush nominated Michael Baroody, executive vice president of the National Association of Manufacturers, to head the commission charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from more than 15,000 types of consumer products. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., who sits on the Commerce Committee that will consider the nomination, [said] "This administration seems incapable of doing anything in the public interest. I intend to give this nomination thorough scrutiny."

Indeed, Senator, give this nomination due scrutiny before flushing it down the toilet. Your job is to stop nominations like this. Bush-Cheney routinely, repeatedly named outspoken opponents of regulation to regulatory positions while Republicans controlled Congress, and got away with it. This is the kind of nomination that'll show whether anything changed when Democrats took charge.

Lance Boyle



Yeah, but what about all the insourcing?

by Tony T.

March 5, 2007
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Re Bush report: Sending jobs overseas helps America

It's a good thing other countries aren't as anti outsourcing as some Americans are....... Just look at some the companies that have outsourced to America... Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Mercedes and so on.

Tony T.
 
A drop in the bucket, a few thousand jobs imported, compared to millions exported by America's monstrous policy of encouraging corporate outsourcing.

Helen & Harry

Patricia L. responds
 



Gives new meaning to the term "preliminary reports"

by SirJ

March 4, 2007
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The BBC seems to have misplaced their 9-11 tapes. One of them shows how they announced the collapse of WTC building 7 a half hour before it happened. Per Part of the conspiracy?
by Richard Porter, BBC News
 
Excerpt: 4. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another.

I know -- the company dog, oddly named Rose Mary Woods, ate the film! She knew just the right tape to eat, once it was handed to him. Well, not to worry BBC, LOTS of people have found the film for you. They posted it on Google. Then Google decided to remove it and ban it from their website. Ah, but the paranoid conspiracy buffs have copies and have now posted it to many places on the web: "This amazing clip was on Google Video (now back again here), but was removed within hours of the story breaking. However, hundreds of people had already managed to download the clip and it has gone viral on the Internet and the censors won't be able to shut the lid this time. A YouTube upload is available here but we fully expect this to be removed soon. You can watch it for the time being at this link and also here. A WMV link is here (on our server) and a Quicktime here. Bit torrent versions of the file can be found here. An avi version can be found here.

"To be clear, the Salomon Brothers Building is just a different name for Building 7 or WTC 7. Skip forward to around the 14:30 minute mark."

BBC reported Building 7 had collapsed 20 minutes before it fell
 
Excerpt: An astounding video uncovered from the archives today shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows BBC reporter Jane Standley talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remains standing in the live shot behind her head.

Minutes before the actual collapse of the building is due, the feed to the reporter mysteriously dies.

Curiously enough, the feed from NYC to the BBC was lost a few minutes before the building did collapse. Oh well, stuff happens... The official story of 9-11 is now holier than ever. May the Angel of Truth kick it to the curb where it belongs.

Time stamp confirms BBC reported WTC 7 collapse 26 minutes in advance
 
Excerpt: ... footage from the BBC's News 24 channel that shows the time stamp at 21:54 (4:54PM EST) when news of the Salomon Brothers Building is first broadcast, a full 26 minutes in advance of its collapse.

World Trade Center Building 3, known publicly as the 22-story Marriott Hotel positioned between the twin towers, was heavily damaged during the collapse of WTC 2, yet it did not experience uniform collapse either vertically or horizontally.

SirJ
 
This particular video, with the time stamp, keeps freezing on my computer several minutes after the start but still several minutes before the time stamp, appended at the end of the original BBC World clip. But I don't doubt the time stamp; the screen shot is real, and with the on-screen time stamp it's pretty dang conclusive evidence that the Beeb reported the building's collapse half an hour before the building collapsed.

The BBC's official response? Pathetic, beneath pathetic. "We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another." Man, that's suitable for framing. That's the response of someone who's already decided it's not worth looking into, and that's the wrong person to respond.

That said, I'm glad the video is from the BBC. If it was any of the other major news media, from Fox to the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric (I still roll my eyes typing that), I suspect they'd stonewall releasing the information until hell froze solid. The Beeb, though, they're one of the last remaining mainstream media outfits with an un-spent reserve of respect. I'll be surprised and disappointed if we don't see a more substantial, more credible response from BBC News ...


Helen & Harry

SirJ responds
 

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USDA Backs Production of Rice With Human Genes

I pray they don't use Condoleezza's genes! It's OK by me if they put Dubya's genes in beans and call it Bush beans, but I do draw the line at Rice rice.

SirJ



When interest rates fall

by Mr. Chuckles

March 4, 2007
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I mentioned to an associate that last week's markets were very interesting. He mentioned the China "crash", and I replied that it may also be about people in the U.S. buying houses with no money down :-) Then tonight I came across the latest "Clusterfuck Nation" post by Kunstler:

Singing the vegetable opera

Pretty "interesting" stuff. And that took me here:

Latest count of major US mortgage lenders that have croaked since late 2006: 30

and here:

It's a long way down from here

and:

More Central Banks diversify away from the $ - forex crises to follow

Now that is something to think about. If you recall the stock market crash of 2001->2003, the Federal Reserve was forced to lower interest rates to historic levels -- 1% borrowing rate -- and keep them down there for a year. And GWB added $3 trillion to the national debt, which spending of course went out into the world economy and made everything "bubbly".

The effect of 1% interest rates was to in effect, take wealth from savers and ship it to banks and financial corporations who could lend it out at 5% while paying savers 1% or less in interest. This helped make up for the billions/trillions of losses -- of which a huge part were in telecommunications due to the internet bubble.

In the 2001->2003 crash, many of the bad debts were spread out so that, on average, everyone lost a little bit (except for shareholders and some bond holders who got killed.) Assuming that trillions, or at least high hundreds of billions are lost in the sub-prime and "Alt-A" real estate mortgage bust, the Fed will be predisposed, and maybe compelled to lower rates again and flood the economy with newly printed money. But this time that trick might not work as well... we'll see about that.

At any rate, 2007 is going to be interesting, and I am thinking that this will be another nail in the Bush/GOP coffin. Americans don't give a flying fuck about the CIA torturing ragheads, but when they lose money they get way pissed off.

For a brief while, $US will be safer than some other things, including even gold, as we saw late last week. The "bubble" is bursting and we are maybe seeing "cross-margin liquidation", which is when *everything* in a customer's portfolio is dumped by his broker to cover margin losses.

However, once the dust settles a bit and the Fed starts lowering rates and printing money...and the Plunge Protection Team gets to work propping up the sick markets, we ought to see a renewed interest in $US devaluation. A recession will make the budget deficits rise again, and we're still spending hundreds of billions (borrowed money) on counter-productive wars (which is off-budget too!)

And when interest rates fall...well, it may be Sayonara, Mr. Dollar Bill!

Mr. Chuckles

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Conspiracy toward a globally massive, RADICAL die-off of the human species

by DanD

March 4, 2007
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Re We are all conspiracy theorists

"Can we show me what you've got, what you know, and limit the chat to just one of these conspiracies?"

Alright, how about this conspiracy "theory" that's actually a working agenda:

Currently, there is an incorporated and institutionally encompassing, worldwide mission currently being sponsored (in a very un-Madison Avenue way) by the Illuminati/Bilderbergers/Global Bankers/IMF/World Bank/Masons/Zionists/etc. ( ... by whatever name you may choose to call them, or in other words, them-thar folks whose REALLY in charge of the "authority class" 'cause they got the money, political power, AND trans-cultural infrastructure) to facilitate a globally massive, RADICAL die-off of the human species within the next fifty years or so.

Do you want to work on this one?

DanD
 
"Want to"? Oh good lord, no. I'm willing, but that's not quite the same thing.

But you're an old friend, so I'll follow along through a round or two about this. Fire away.


Helen & Harry

DanD responds
 



Which part of "No Child Left Behind" is working?

by E13

March 4, 2007
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Bush prods Congress on education law
 
Excerpt: President Bush, who wants his legacy engraved with his education policy, lobbied Congress to reauthorize the No Child Left Behind law -- and do it this year. "My claim is it's working," Bush said Friday at Silver Street Elementary School where he stopped before heading to Kentucky for a dinner to raise money for Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

Which part is working? The part that says every school funded for "No Child Left Behind" must allow recruiters on campus?? Or is working like the war in Iraq is working? The Report Card for the law?? Report Card: No Child Left Behind
 
Excerpt: Newschannel 15's report card says test scores in English and Math are up. The grade is not so high in other areas.

Study says No Child Left Behind falls short

Some children left behind? National educational initiative encounters opposition

Officials seek changes to No Child Left Behind

Critics say law fails disabled kids

No Child Left Behind isn’t working

E13



Bait and switch

by The Canadian

March 4, 2007
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Re U.S., Iran, Syria at a round table
What's the switch?
The switch was the change of unconditional meetings to conditional meetings. I still don't quite understand what the US Administration thought they would accomplish by placing conditions on a meeting that they knew the Syrians and Iranians would never accept. This exercise merely confirmed and retrenched the publicly stated positions of both sides. Nothing was accomplished.

What is the point of moving your chess piece forward only to return it to its original place thereafter?

In the meantime, the House of Saud is now openly displaying its continued diplomatic initiative... I am waiting now for a "Chamberlain" promise that peace can be achieved- yeah, right.

The Canadian
 
It took a bit to catch up with you on this. The headlines in American mainstream coverage suggest quite the opposite, that those dastardly Iranians have set conditions on the meetings.
 
Paragraph 1: Iran will only hold direct talks with the United States on Iraq if Washington announces plans to pull its troops out, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Saturday.

Paragraph 3: President Bush has said he will not talk to Iran unless it suspends its nuclear program.

Paragraph 3, of course, pretty much debunks the headline, as Iran seems to be "setting conditions" only in retaliation for the impossible condition already set by Bush. If the Bush administration's demand ever warranted a headline of its own, dang me, I must've missed it.

So yeah, now that I know what you're talking about, I'd say definitely, bait and switch. The Bush administration's goal is not to actually have talks (since talks could, after all, avert the war) but to give the illusion of having attempted to have talks.


Helen & Harry
 



Bush the Compassionate

by Wig

March 4, 2007
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Kuwaiti court acquits 2 ex-Gitmo inmates
 
Excerpt: A criminal court on Saturday acquitted two former Guantanamo Bay prisoners of joining al-Qaida or the Taliban.

Omar Rajab Amin and Abdullah Kamel al-Kundari denied any terror connections at the start of their trial. Their lawyers argued there was no evidence against them and the case was "political." Defense attorneys said the accused were in Afghanistan for charity work -- not to fight.

The "worst of the worse" are determined by Bush apparently based on guilt by association or a name similar to one on some unidentified computer. Bush may be vindicated, when he has Padilla (mentally incompetent or not) convicted of something or other. All that reward cash he dished out doesn't appear to have accomplished anything except fatten the saddle bags of Afghan and Pakistani "war lords".

Wig



American Nazism

by Z

March 4, 2007
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Hicks details terror and torture at Guantanamo
 
Excerpt: Injected with drugs, hooded, tightly bound and wearing goggles and ear muffs and the infamous orange overalls, he was thrown into one of the small, open-air cages of Camp X-Ray. For weeks, he says, he and other prisoners were forbidden to talk and permitted to lie in only two positions -- prone and looking up, or sitting looking straight down. No other movement was permitted other than at meal times, and any deviations from the edict, or muttered conversations, were met with savage beatings by the guards.

In their cages, he says, prisoners had one bucket of water and another to be used as a toilet. They also were given a toothbrush and, if requested, a copy of the Koran. Guards interrupted them every hour, supposedly to check if they still had their toothbrushes, but in effect to deprive them of sleep. If prisoners covered their faces to block out the sun or floodlights as they tried to sleep, he says, they were woken by screaming guards kicking their cages.

This guy David Hicks has been held for five years without charge or trial, and he is headed to Kangaroo Court. he is now charged with only one count -- material support -- which was not even a law until 2006. tortured repeatedly by americans and ignored by his Australia, now the shame of Democracy cannot be expunged without criminal trials of our president and his co-conspirators. this is American Nazism -- fascist, immoral and beyond all global laws and decencies. we have become what we claimed to be fighting: animals. nay, lower than animals because we have become sadists.

Z



Upside down priorities

by Mr. Chuckles

March 3, 2007
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Connect the Dots!

Britain can afford 1 surveillance camera for every 14 residents but cannot afford public restrooms -- 415 serving 7.5 million people in London, not counting visitors.

Sounds familiar. Upside down priorities. Public property sold off to enrich a few while the public suffer.

Britain is 'surveillance society'
 
Excerpt: There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain -- about one for every 14 people.

CCTV Frequently Asked Questions
 
Excerpt: In Britain between 150 and 300 million pounds (225 - 450 million dollars) per year is now spent on a surveillance industry involving an estimated 300000.

Londoners squirm as public toilets grow scarce; new loo is $10
 
Excerpt: The number of toilets dropped 40 percent from 2000 to 2005, leaving 415 to serve a population of 7.5 million, government figures show. That's not including the 28 million people who visit the U.K. capital each year.

Local authorities say they can't afford to maintain and modernize restrooms. Many have been sold to property developers, who convert them into more profitable uses, including apartments and nightclubs. Those that remain often are so dirty or rundown that they're mostly used by drug addicts and homeless people.

Mr. Chuckles
 
In England and America, once the world's most advanced (and not coincidentally, most prosperous) nations, government is less and less about providing anything for the people, and more and more about supervising and surveillance.

Helen & Harry
 



Less dangerous nuclear warheads

by Kathy Fisher

March 3, 2007
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Did you hear we're back in the nuke business? The US is going to change the warheads to better cleaner LESS DANGEROUS NUKE HEADS. I didn't know there was such a thing, GEE dumb me! WE can do it They can't!

Kathy Fisher



The view from Canada

by Chris D.

March 3, 2007
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Re Think succinct

If yours was a real democracy, the government would ask its people what it needs to do for them. But it's not. It tells its people what they need to do for their country. And what's going to happen if they don't do as they're told.

Real democracy: The people decide. A figurehead is chosen to do administrative work and consider policy to put before the people to decide on.

Bullshit democracy: You are told what to do by 'Good Old Boys' and various pretty faces put forward by parties that have lost all touch with the common man and women, assuming they were ever in touch in the first place.

They say anyone can run, but have you ever heard of a poor President or Prime Minister? Can anyone run without a Party? Do you think that you or I could run?

Democracy: Laws, edicts, and policies are made to be debated by all concerned, restricted only by a single guideline. You call it the Constitution. We call it the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Bullshit Democracy: Laws are made to be enforced, not debated. Edicts are made to be followed, not questioned. Policies are formed for concerns that are none of your concern. Debates by groups of any size, no matter how large, must be endorsed by member of Congress beforehand... As countless disenfranchised African-American voters found out, it's not as easy as asking them to sign it. It wasn't important enough. American citizens weren't important enough even to be listened to by their elected officials. The only choice anyone seems to have is who takes away their right to choose.

Canada's government has become rife with mismanagement and in some areas putrid with stupidity. However, I believe it still resembles some form of democracy despite the lying and double-dealing. I cannot say the same for America.

Is there anything that can be done to improve it? More directly, is they're anything you'd be allowed to do to change or improve it?

Chris D.
 
What a bleakly accurate picture you've painted. We're sure trying to change it, improve it, or just make it 2/3 of what it's supposed to be. So far, though, despite our best efforts, this government has shown no interest at all in what the people want, it pays attention only to what its increasingly narrow group of supporters want -- the elite few and the easily deluded millions.

Helen & Harry
 



Poetry across borders

by S.B.

March 3, 2007
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around the world,
friends gather around fires,
telling the truth that's reflected in the embers,
of the little that remains --

eyes that told of resolve yesterday,
eyes that have grown up today --
i can see clearly now,
the chains are gone --
but it's not right, it's wrong,
bleeding together -- strung together song --

sharing tales of forgiveness,
truth and lies lost,
at what cost --
it's all wrong,
-- another hit of the bong,
which side were you on,
while the world burnt...

look underneath - they're gathering behind closed doors,
carving out small beautiful spaces,
away from the glare,
of their all-encompassing lie,
whispering a chant that's getting louder,
we ain't going nowhere --
just the here and now, another day - another night gone by ... we're getting closer, we're being split further apart... how do we even begin to communicate, what we've seen and what we've felt -- silently fighting our battles, giving, always giving, a little more than taking -- slowly building up...

this global bond of friendship... because I don't have to have met you guys -- to know I will love you forever... we've just been through something together -- it's been an intense past 5 years or so, and it's been an honour to, in some way, share it with you peeps --

((I've been wanting to write for a while, and still follow the site whenever I find a few minutes -- the past few months have just been crazy, working with some good people doing fun things ... big hugs ... !! ))

i must go now - I haven't slept in 2 days and have a big deadline to meet tomorrow...

S.B.
holychao@gmail.com
 
It's been an intense past 5 years or so, indeed. Intense. Beautiful poem, thank you S., and thank you for five years at our side.

Unless there's a startling turnaround I don't think we'll make it another five years. Five years from now we'll either be dead from exhaustion or dead from the raids in the night and the executions sure to follow -- unless there's a startling turnaround. So thank you again, for the poem and for fighting on the side of justice and freedom in a battle that's hasn't much longer before it's over ...


Helen & Harry
 



Are your papers and plastics in order?

by JR Mooneyham

March 3, 2007
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Federal ID requirements issued: Ominous
 
Excerpt: The Department of Homeland Security released long-delayed requirements for the standardization of state identification documents Thursday. States must start issuing the new internal passports by May 2008, or else their citizens will not be able to board planes or enter federal courthouses. Civil libertarians say the requirement, known as the REAL ID Act, creates a national identity card that presents significant privacy risks to Americans. Many states oppose the rule as an unfunded mandate and an encroachment on states rights.

Note that if you're not permitted to enter a court house you can't defend yourself against all sorts of legal matters -- or in many places, even renew car tags and such.

JR Mooneyham
Walk Like a Kryptonian
 
I don't have a driver's license, since I don't drive, and it's rarely an issue, but that's mostly a matter of my generally incognito lifestyle. For ordinary people, many millions of then, this will be a hell of a hassle -- and yet they'll obediently comply.

On the bright side, it should be a short-term boon to the phony I/D industry.


Helen & Harry
 



U.S., Iran, Syria at a round table

by The Canadian

March 3, 2007
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Re Powerful forces at many levels

One phrase sums up this failed meeting: "bait and switch".

The Canadian
 
What's the switch?

Helen & Harry

The Canadian responds
 



Is it anti-Semitism?

by Wig

March 3, 2007
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Excerpt: A coalition of 31 American Jewish organizations has launched a new three-year initiative to bring Israel studies to American college campuses. "The average American college student who wants to study about Israel cannot," explained David Harris, executive director of the Israel on Campus Coalition - an umbrella organization that unites the various American groups.

Are we going to hear the charge "anti-Semite" if AIPAC can't get a university to kowtow to it's programs?

Wig