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Too late for free trade

by Kathy Fisher

August 9, 2007
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The Wrong Lessons of the Bridge Collapse

I don't think Government made the bridge collapse. I think Corruption made it collapse. Just as corruption can and does exist in the private sector big and small. You can have corruption anywhere. Everywhere you go people are trying to cut costs and make themselves more money by screwing some one out of their share.

I see it everywhere. It's like a disease. Yes I know that the Free Market doesn't exist the way the Von Mises Institute would like, sorry, but there can be no free market on this new global plantation coming down the Superhighway of stolen sovereignty.

It can never be fair again, it's too late. The playing field is completely unbalanced. Our most precious commodity is lost and I am not talking about gold. Human resources in America have been taken for granted. The time for talking of a Free Market was before American companies left/deserted America.

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Nagasaki and a nuclear energy renaissance

by Marie K.

August 9, 2007
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Do they think Chernobyl has finally been forgotten? There IS a new generation of youth who probably don’t remember. ... ... MORE ...

Marie K.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Converting the troops

by Heather G.

August 9, 2007
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Yeah, it's me -- I'm still alive and kicking. Sorry you don't hear from me so often anymore. Working full-time and trying to renovate a house to sell. Spare time? What is that!!??

Came across this article -- be an evangelical christian or all of our troops that die is your fault. Right ... then they leave the military and become nice little skin heads...

On evangelicals in the military

Heather G. 

  Always good to know an old friend hasn't yet been rounded up and detained or disappeared. I'm halfway through the article and yup, that's infuriating.

I was raised in what I consider a sane Christian denomination, surrounded by sane Christians. And they're still there -- I went home for a visit not too long ago. But for Christ's sake, the sanctimonious phonies who crawl around calling themselves Christians -- what an endless parade of little anti-Christs.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Don't forget testing

by JR Mooneyham

August 9, 2007
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Can you catch a killer before they commit a crime?

A rephrasing of the question might be 'can you come up with a plausible-sounding reason to imprison the innocent with zero tangible proof of either malevolent action or intent on their part?

Wouldn't this be wet-dream type stuff for Bush-Cheney?

If we MUST adopt this technology, how about we test it on Bush and Cheney FIRST?

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Bonkers spying law lets clearly criminal Gonzales
make decisions and he's in charge of oversight too
 
Excerpt: The Bush administration plans to leave oversight of its expanded foreign eavesdropping program to the same government officials who supervise the surveillance activities and to the intelligence personnel who carry them out, senior government officials said yesterday.

The law, which permits intercepting Americans' calls and e-mails without a warrant if the communications involve overseas transmission, gives Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell and Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales responsibility for creating the broad procedures determining whose telephone calls and e-mails are collected. It also gives McConnell and Gonzales the role of assessing compliance with those procedures.

The fox will run the U.S. chicken house, AND tell us if any chickens go missing -- according to Bush.

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Squeeze 'em out

by E13

August 9, 2007
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Arab Member of Knesset slams 'ethnic
cleansing' after demolitions in W. Bank
 
Excerpt: After Israel demolished structures in at least five Palestinian villages in the Jordan Valley in the last week, Hadash Chairman Mohammed Barakeh called on Thursday for an end to what he termed the "ethnic cleansing" in the area.

Pools, tents and tin structures built without permits and belonging to Palestinian residents, were destroyed in the villages of Bakia, Jeftlik, Beit Dajan and Bardella, which are scattered along the Jordan Valley.

Palestinians almost NEVER get permission to build ... 20 people in a household and they want to build on to their house on their land? Nope! Let them get really uncomfortable and move to another Arab country if they don't like it!

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Up to 80 congressmen visit Israel in August

How many visited New Orleans?

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Do they show the American Congress THIS Israel on their free propaganda trips?? 80 going over this summer but they will be kept far far away for reality ... Anyone see this on the news??? No, just the crap about how the crook Olmert (being investigated for corruption) wants peace, yatta, yatta, yatta.....

E13 

  How many visited New Orleans? Well, it's like another robber said (Willie Sutton I believe), That's where the money is... Ain't much money in New Orleans.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Just keeping my eye on things

by Sherri B.

August 9, 2007
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Just a flashback...

Iran and Syria unite to defy US pressure
 
Excerpt: In a move that has ratcheted up tension across the Middle East and thrown down a challenge to Washington, Iran and Syria have formed a mutual self-defense pact, saying it is needed to confront the threats they now face.

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Re Some U.S. Carrier groups withdrawn from Gulf

All I have to say about this -- and this is known to me "personally" -- is that for those ships that leave there are reasons for it. October is the month you need to be looking at. CLOSELY. Even September if hot heads aren't cooled. There are people leaving shore (and having been leaving port) all week heading to the gulf. People, the shift is not out, but up. We're trading up for long haul food, gas, and weaponry. Pay close, close attention. I sound a bit paranoid but unfortunately I do know the names of the ships going and because of Yahoo I can't tell you.

Be safe~

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IF our markets crash and we can't access out cash via bank or ATM and say we have a disability check. Would a check cashing place cash it knowing our government has no cash? Would any check be cashed? I'm going to send you a Chronicle article about the 387 point plunge. Here are the paragraphs that freaked me out:
 
Excerpt: The catalyst for the market's latest skid: a French bank's announcement that it was freezing three funds that invested in U.S. subprime mortgages.

A move by the European Central Bank to provide more cash to money markets intensified Wall Street's angst. Although the bank's loan of more than $130 billion in overnight funds to banks at a low rate of 4 percent was intended to calm investors, Wall Street saw it as confirmation of the credit markets' problems. It was the ECB's biggest injection ever.

The Federal Reserve added a larger-than-normal $24 billion in temporary reserves to the U.S. banking system.

The Chicago Board Options Exchange's volatility index, often called the "fear index," rose Thursday to its highest level since April 2003.

European stocks plunged. Britain's FTSE 100 lost 1.92 percent, Germany's DAX index fell 2.00 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 2.17 percent after being down more than 3 percent. Japan's Nikkei stock average rose 0.83 percent. Hong Kong's Hang Seng index fell 0.43 percent.

Sherri B. 

  I appreciate the feedback and insights, but I don't understand "because of Yahoo I can't tell you."

As for a crash, I'd expect check cashing stores to be shuttered even before the banks, just on rumors of a bank collapse.

Haven't seen that article you excerpted, but it strikes me as something miles beyond my ability to do anything about, so I'm not worried at the moment. As a matter of habit and policy, we're fairly liquid and well-stocked on staples.

And really, while I don't expect an economic catastrophe in the next few days, we've been watching just years and years of idiotic American economic policies that can't lead anywhere else but to a catastrophe. Anyone who's semi-well-informed can see that the catastrophe is coming. Soon.

"Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night."

Helen & Harry 

Oh I'm sorry. Here it is.

I'm not worried. Just keeping my eye on things :) I have my rum and coke ready to watch the fireworks.

Hugs -- we'll be fine. I'm downloading Backwoods Home magazine articles as fast as I can and am stockpiling faster than a two-year-old after a day of ice cream and cake.

Yahoo and Google(Well all major email service providers-Oh as well as whatever you post on blogs and things like Craigslist) reserve the right to warehouse ALL email transmissions of its users. The PATRIOT Act allows for them to be able to turn over any relevant information to the government without the email users consent. (Read the terms of service) So I say certain things but not others because I'd never want anyone I love in the military to get in trouble. Or me for that matter :)

Sherri B.  

  I can understand that. Thanks for 'splaining it.

Me, I know a few people in the military but it's so sad to me, I just never talk about it. And for everything else about the eavesdropping and data collection, I just figure I'm living my life with a big bull's eye on my shirt, and any time they want to round me up, well, they know where I am.

Helen & Harry 

The Canadian replies
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Native wisdom

by Cassandra

August 9, 2007
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'When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a way that when you die, you rejoice and the world cries.' source given as simply 'Native American Wisdom', don't remember where I found it.

I think you're doing a pretty good job, with your political work.

Cassandra 

  I'd be embarrassed to admit how much that means to me. Thank you.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Fascinating to meet

by The Canadian

August 9, 2007
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Re Always has been, always will be
I'm not social about hardly anything, and certainly not about my Darwinism.
HA HA! You not social? I some how doubt that. Why I bet you two would be fascinating to meet and get to know.

The Canadian 

  Ah, no, sorry to disappoint ya but we would definitely disappoint ya. I can carry a placard, march in protests, shout the right slogans, and when I put my mind to it I can write a short article that makes sense and maybe, maybe says something worth the time it takes to read it. But in person I'm all umms and ahhs until I get to know you, which takes at least several years.

Helen & Harry 

ummm...with you guys, the wait would be worth it ;-)

The Canadian  

Doc Herb replies
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Voodoo weaponry

by Wig

August 9, 2007
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Military develops metal that explodes on impact
 
Excerpt: Part of the Army's Active Protection System program, the warhead will detonate threats at a safe distance, while possibly limiting the risk of friendly fire. (Unlike steel shrapnel, RM shards can be made to burn out quickly.)

More voodoo weaponry. Just what is a "safe distance"? Looks like a WMD. But, of course, in our hands it would only be used to bring "democracy" to those we deem need it.

Wig  unknownnews@inbox.com



Animal Farming

by DanD

August 9, 2007
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While surfing past UN in order to get my "fix," I stumbled upon a quick comment by The Canadian~

Re Always has been, always will be

Well said Helen and Harry. Funny thing about Chinese justice... it also seems to compliment their national human organ donation program very well.

"All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others."
Animal Farm, George Orwell          
Not to be nitpicking or whatever (... okay, so I'm nitpicking), but I think that the "Animal Farm" quote was (only mildly paraphrased)
While "all ANIMALS are equal, some yet (certain classifications) are still more equal than others,"
This observation, of course, was verbally being established with a straight snout by a member of the "more equal" supreme ruling pig community. Now, while there were certainly "more equal" and "less equal" pigs throughout that whole tale, a central dramatic focus was, indeed, primarily on the fact that ALL the pigs living at the Animal Farm were defacto more equal than any other non-pig species (with Orwell casting the story's party of pigs as the authoritatively socialist, tyrannically administering, bureaucratically commanding class of superior co-equals).

You could just see the newspeak right around the corner.

(There now, see? When I pee in it, it tastes so much better!)

DanD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Two women shall be grinding at the mill

by Jonah Immanu

August 9, 2007
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Commentary on Your "Rapture is a Racket" article Are you aware that the rapture as a concept has been taught since early Christianity and by Jesus Christ Himself. My name is Jonah Immanu and in May 2005, I authored Alienated Planet Earth and the End that will be Coming to Our World (trafford.com/04-2823). That concept is by no means a racket of our contemporary society as you wish to imply, but us based upon the Bible especially the New Testament. Thus, persons claiming to be Christians should be comfortable with Christ's gospels and the epistles of His Apostle Paul that comment on the rapture of the Christian faithful and not consider these scriptures to be expressing the faithful's participation in a modern day racket.

Before you become inexplicably preposterous, facetious and cynical, examine my non-fiction book for free in Google Book Search, then put these Bible verses (which are prophecies) in your "rapture-is-a-racket" pipe and smoke it:

"Then shall two women be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken , and the other left." Messiah Jesus (the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 24 verses 40 & 41). "I tell you in that night there shall be two men is a bed, the one shall be taken and the other left. Two women shall be grinding together, the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in a field, the one shall be taken, and the other left". Messiah Jesus (the Gospel of Luke, Chapter 17, verses 34, 35, & 36).

Also the Apostle Paul expounds upon what Jesus said in his first epistle to the early Thessalonian church at Chapter 4 verses 13 through 18 and in his first epistle to the Corinthian church, Chapter 15, verses 51 thourgh 57.

Before you begin to make a mockery of anothers belief as a Christian, be sure that you are aware of their Lord and Savior's words and of His Apostle. I woud not have you irresponsibly ignorant as a contemporary writer of what the New Testament scriptures say on the topic. The book which I wrote was to inform and prepare people in our contemporary society to have themselves and their loved ones become rapture ready.

Jonah Immanu 
Christian Eschatological Author 

  Jesus Christ, that was boring.

Helen & Harry 

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The Cat's Blog

by Herb Ruhs, MD

August 8, 2007
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This was a good read. This blog post speaks for itself and for me.

Herb Ruhs, MD 

  I spent twenty minutes at The Cat's Blog, appreciated the work that went into it, and I'll be back.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Always has been, always will be

by The Canadian

August 8, 2007
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Re Chinese justice

Well said Helen and Harry. Funny thing about Chinese justice... it also seems to compliment their national human organ donation program very well.

"All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others."
Animal Farm, George Orwell          

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Re Destabilized and "restabilizing"

I will respond this week-end, I am just to busy this week...

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Re Downward social mobility

Another example of Social Darwinism. Always been a stupid idea.
The Canadian 

  I'm not social about hardly anything, and certainly not about my Darwinism.

Helen & Harry 

DanD replies, The Canadian replies
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An idiot or a shill

by JR Mooneyham

August 8, 2007
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Free lunch on health? Think again
by David Leonhardt, New York Times

This guy appears to be either an idiot, or a shill for Republicans or some part of US industry. For he goes to enormous lengths to avoid any reference at all to the modern democracies of the world which possess universal healthcare, and end up spending less overall on healthcare than America, while getting healthier and longer-living citizens than America, too.

How are these stats and facts not relevant to his subject? They blow his entire argument out of the water!

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com) 

  There's nothing left to debate, and hasn't been for years and years. The current American health care "system" offers excellent health care for the fabulously wealthy, a gamble on sub-par and spotty care for working stiffs lucky enough to have insurance, and insults and crossed fingers for the many millions who can't afford health insurance. Anyone who continues arguing for the present American "system" of health care is either a fool or a co-conspirator with the health-care monstrosity.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Straight skinny

by Cassandra

August 8, 2007
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I bought a small necessity at a big box store today. When I got home I noticed that there was a small box that read:
 
'This product was made in
China
Pakistan
El Salvador

Never seen that before. Pakistan was the box ticked.
 
We'll see a lot more such boxes and checkmarks in the bullshit "global economy" we're being forced into.

Helen & Harry 

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Re Tired of America bashing

I doubt you'll be back to see this, but a news article at unknownnews has a link to the original news source and is about the actual news event. Other items are commentary from ordinary people, like you, expressing their opinions. The difference is that they don't send random emails to websites that they haven't bothered to really look at. If they do so, the email is usually about something that has very little to do with the site and is simply an expression of the writer's views. I do commend you for your lack of profanity and your ability to spell and write a coherent sentence; both are noticeably lacking in most of the critical comments I've seen.

Perhaps you could channel that energy into creating another site expressing your own views, one that focuses on good news and how wonderful America and its leaders are. There are a million sites like that, but you could make it one million and one.

Cordially,

Cassandra  unknownnews@inbox.com



Backup blame

by Wig

August 8, 2007
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Pressed by U.S., a wary U.N. now plans larger Iraq role

If GOP is unable to stick the blame for the Iraq disaster on the Dems there is always the UN if it falls for Bush's sudden love for UN involvement.

Wig  unknownnews@inbox.com



Birth of the new Middle East

by E13

August 8, 2007
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First Israel must develop & deploy missile defense system, THEN it can withdraw....
 
Excerpt: Therefore, Barak believes, Israel must first develop and deploy an effective anti-missile system -- a process that is expected to take three to five years.

Well, my goodness, that IS a surprise.... and poor Condi is not going to get the "birth" of her "New Middle East" and her two States so quickly after all, not even with her friend Fayyed in power.... !

E13  unknownnews@inbox.com



Colored

by E13

August 7, 2007
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Colored tags for Arabs' luggage discontinued at Ben Gurion airport
 
Excerpt: Transportation Minister Shaul Mofaz announced on Tuesday that Ben Gurion International Airport security would no longer mark the luggage belonging to non-Jews with colored tags, in order to spare these passengers embarrassment.

Instead, Mofaz explained, the luggage of non-Jewish passengers will be stamped with the same color sticker as the Jewish passengers, only with a different number. In the past, the color of the sticker on the passenger's luggage would indicate to airport security personnel the level of security check they must administer.

Now that they are pretending to play nice, we can see how far Israeli apartheid and terror tactics (terrifying West Bank citizens as paratrooper graduation exercise!) goes ...

E13  unknownnews@inbox.com



British state-sponsored terrorism

by Herb Ruhs, MD

August 7, 2007
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Re The Database (DB), part 2

Then there was the intriguing episode when British soldiers were arrested (last year I think) dressed as locals and driving around in a civilian vehicle with bombs in the car.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Chinese justice

by John G.

August 7, 2007
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I'm beginning to like the Chinese system. They get all these thieves and murderers and executives who fuck everybody up and just take them out and shoot them. The ones they don't shoot they lock up in a hell hole with no fucking rights whatsoever and use them for slaves.

It keeps a lot of others from doing the same thing.

The Chinese newspaper just had an article where they announced they were looking into corruption. Those guilty had exactly 30 days to confess and seek mercy, otherwise ... They got 2000 confessions.

John G. 

  Well, yeah, it's a great system, so long as you believe in no second chances, and so long as you can convince yourself these people really are guilty of their crimes -- not merely people the government wants to eliminate. And so long as your own life is conducted scrupulously within the letter of the law.

Helen & Harry  

The Canadian replies
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Downward social mobility

by JR Mooneyham

August 7, 2007
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In this new trickle-down theory, the industrial revolution only happened because most original poor people died off in the middle ages, to (by necessity) be replaced by the children of the rich.

This shift brought ***** the genetic predisposition towards being smarter, working harder, reducing violence, and saving money ***** to the lower classes, finally allowing humanity to 'take off' productivity-wise.

According to this guy, downward social mobility (where you get ever poorer) is apparently a GOOD thing...Grrr.

As the subject he's theorizing about is pretty nebulous and open to interpretation, basically the media can push any idea they like there and it'll probably be adopted by the masses for a couple generations to come. As the elites will see this theory as legitimizing past, present, and future excesses on their part, I suspect this idea will be lauded across-the-board, and its author lionized and bequeathed large sums of money.

L. Ron Hubbard knew starting a new religion was one way to wealth. Another may be coming up with a plausible-sounding scientific explanation for why the rich deserve to sit atop the rest of us.

This author should be appearing on Fox News any minute now.

In dusty archives, a theory of affluence
Use our New York Times login unk.news and password unknown 

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com) 

The Canadian replies
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Destabilized and "restabilizing"

by Marie K.

August 7, 2007
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Re Some U.S. carrier groups withdrawn from Gulf

Is it possible that Iran and Syria would strike first? My answer is a definite NO. Why would they? It would be suicidal. Even though the US is overstretched I'm sure that our "hegemonic", it's our time for world domination, leaders could still do some very effective air strikes while feeling no qualms about using nuclear weapons. Why would Syria or Iran risk that? Do they want to be destabilized?

On the subject of "hegemony," I feel really curious about what steps the Iranians have taken that indicate "Iran's quest for Middle East hegemony." What they seem to be doing is restabilizing their country. They are working, for example, on their electricity problems, trying to up their exports -- an example is of their natural gas given their work on deals with Turkey and India, and working more closely with the IAEA to defuse the issue related to their nuclear power plant.

As for the other Middle East countries striking out on their own agendas, what "agendas" do they have? Iraqis just want the US out so they can also start restabilizing after being utterly destabilized. Surely, the same goes for Afghanistan. How about Lebanon and Syria -- are they really stabilized? It always seems that just when these countries make some headway, BOOM, they get destabilized again. I wonder why?

As for "Shia and Sunni hegemonic interests," what's that all about? Please tell me. Even conservative Muslims have been interested in promoting Islamic unity including the people Osama bin Laden associated with. Muslims have also talked about religious tolerance for a long time. Actually, the populations of most of the countries in the Middle East have BOTH Sunnis and Shias and they are all managing pretty well on this front as far as I can tell. No doubt, the news stories coming out of Iraq about sectarian violence, even if untrue, are still disturbing to Muslims. I'm sure all of the countries of the Middle East hope that Iraq can emerge from the dire straits it is in as soon as possible and in ONE piece.

Marie K. 

  You doubt Sunni and Shia warfare? We've been told lots of lies so it's often a good idea to be skeptical, but I haven't yet seen any reason to be skeptical of Sunni-Shia eagerness to kill each other.

I do agree that it would've been (still would be) suicidal for Iran or Syria to strike at the American strike force in the Gulf. But it also would've been top-notch murderous showmanship. The intent, I surmise from a distance, was to offer a target for exactly such a suicide strike, and basically, the fate of the world was dangling on Iran and Syria not being stupid enough to take the bait.

Helen & Harry  

The Canadian replies, Marie K. replies, and replies again.
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Tired of America bashing

by Tru

August 7, 2007
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Re Zen and the art of road rage

I don't know where you live, nor do I want too, but I am TIRED of America bashing. Everyone is an individual and does not represent the governments of their particular countries. I do not wish to bash my neighbor over the head with a tire iron, and didn't post an "news article" discussing it ... so who has a problem here? Not me.

Tru 

  Consider yourself a champion -- 'cuz if we exclude the out-and-out hate mail, yours is just about the most mark-missing comment we've received recently. My guess (just from the breathtaking cluelessness) is that you're an American, and a Republican.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul..

Helen & Harry  

Cassandra replies
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Not some "civil partnership" substitute

by Jart

August 6, 2007
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Ontario's deputy premier marries gay partner
 
Excerpt: Deputy Premier George Smitherman and his partner Christopher Peloso made it official, exchanging vows yesterday before about 200 family members and well-wishers at Laurentian Lodge, a rustic and idyllic resort north of this small former mining community.

This news is no big deal up here in Sodom North. It is a true marriage, not some "civil partnership" substitute as they have in Great Britain.

Jart 

  Good news that your email from the 21st century could reach us here in the 19th, where gay marriage remains somehow wildly controversial.

Helen & Harry   unknownnews@inbox.com



Some U.S. carrier groups withdrawn from Gulf

by The Canadian

August 6, 2007
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The leaders of Syria and Iran saw what happened to Iraq even though Saddam complied with the UN. It is known that the leadership of Iran and Syria are convinced that a US/Israeli strike is inevitable and that it may occur as early as this year.

Is it possible that they would think to strike first at specific targets in the hopes of catching their adversaries off-guard and attaining the upper political hand? ... MORE ...

The Canadian  



An economic disaster

by Herb Ruhs, MD

August 6, 2007
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Here is a link to Mike Whitney's the-economic-sky-is-falling article entitled Stock market meltdown.

Another world-wide depression engineered in the same fashion as '29? Looks like it.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Voodoo warfare

by Wig

August 6, 2007
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Armed robots to go to war in Iraq
 
Excerpt: American forces have deployed robots equipped with automatic weapons in Iraq, the first battlefield use of machines capable of waging war by remote control.

This gives an added dimension to "friendly fire" possibilities.

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Have mattress. Will travel. LOL!!!!

Wig 

  She doesn't support the troops!

Helen & Harry   unknownnews@inbox.com



Helium

by Philip L.

August 6, 2007
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Re When the cops are the crooks

Thanks for printing my article on the rabid San Diego Police, from my experiences several years ago there. You can read some titillating accounts of law enforcement crime in my Helium writings. I haven't overstated anything. Just the opposite. The drug-smuggling, terrorist-creating globalists (the Bush family, and their various cohorts) need criminal police thugs to intimidate the populace, until the time when much of them will be done away with altogether.

Philip L.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Dalai Lama

by Cassandra

August 6, 2007
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Military wants town to help clean up its mistakes

Wouldn't it be nice for Bush if someone would do the same for him?

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China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate Damn. Can you imagine the paperwork?

That's flippant but I should clarify that the Dalai Lama is one of my heroes and I think this is another infringement on religious rights in China.

Cassandra 

  I never quite understood the Dalai Lama. Don't know diddly about him or his teachings, really, except that when I saw him giving a speech on the telly a few months ago, I had no compelling urge to kick the TV screen, and I always have that urge when the Pope or any random Christian or Muslim leader is on the tube. D.L. #14 doesn't seem to have a heart full of hate, and people aren't killing each other or making each other miserable over his pronouncements ...

Helen & Harry   unknownnews@inbox.com



Fields

by Chris M.

August 6, 2007
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Republican candidates delicately try to separate selves from Bush
 
Excerpt: The Republican presidential candidates walked a delicate line in their latest campaign debate, seeking some distance from President Bush and the war in Iraq while offering assurances of change in a new Republican administration.

"I can tell you I'm not a carbon copy of George Bush," former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said Sunday, even as he called for a "surge of support" for troops fighting in Iraq.

The Republicans trying to separate themselves from Bush reminds me of WC Fields trying to remove a sticky piece of paper in "The Golfing Specialist." Just as soon as they shake him off of one area, he gets stuck to another.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Calling Coleen Rowley

by Pete W.

August 6, 2007
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I am trying to reach Cowleen Rowley to access her influence in the Minneapolis based Save Our Constitution Coalition. Our goal is basically to get a powerful nonpartisan consensus going to impeach the current president and veep. Can you give me an Email address?

Regards,

Pete W. 

  We don't keep records of our allies' email addresses or other such information. It's a policy that leaves less to be seized when our door is kicked down.

Ms Rowley writes regularly at Huffington Post, and someone who works there might be able to pass along a note from you. Also, you might make a better first impression if you spell her name right. It's Coleen, not Cowleen.

Helen & Harry   unknownnews@inbox.com



Cindy for President

by Dave H.

August 6, 2007
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Hafa Adai from Guam!

I keep reading rumors of Cindy Sheehan running for Nancy Pelosi's seat in the House.

Well, perhaps a woman's place IS in the House (home), but I was thinking more along the lines of a White House at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

I really think she could do it. And piss-off all of the msm talking heads doing so!

Dave H. 

  It's better than a rumor, she's officially announced her candidacy. We're making a cash contribution we can't afford, as soon as her website goes live.

Americans have been pretty well brainwashed by a corporate-controlled media that simply refuses to report the news, so I don't think Cindy could win the White House. But she and Nancy Pelosi both happen to live in what's just about the most liberal Congressional district in America, and San Franciscans don't like this damn fool war. So it's a very real possibility that she could boot Pelosi from office -- and wouldn't that be sweet ...

Helen & Harry   unknownnews@inbox.com



The Database (DB), part 2

by Marie K.

August 5, 2007
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Re The Database, part 1, and Is al Qaeda for real?

After writing the overview/summary in Part 1, I realized that I still had some questions that bothered me. So in this part, I attempt to answer those questions. Sorry, it’s not as short as I would have liked.

As for why (among others) the US, Russia, and China (a neighboring country) have been so interested in Afghanistan, that would be as Wikipedia points out because Afghanistan has huge amounts of gold, copper, coal, iron ore and other rich minerals as well as natural gas, petroleum, and natural gas liquids. In fact, Union Oil Co. of Calif. (Unocal) has been involved in plans for an oil pipeline and natural gas pipeline that go through Afghanistan.

Finally, there is Afghanistan’s involvement in illicit opium and hashish production, which some sources say the CIA has been involved in, too. It could provide multi-billions of dollars in revenue.

To answer my own questions I will have to do a lot more speculating than I did in Part 1. I am doing it based on the many indications that the video footage on Osama bin Laden (OBL) and pieces said to be written by him have been fake and/or involve serious mistranslation, that the US government has become extremely corrupt and prone to lying and is even out of control, that a massive disinformation and anti-Muslim campaign has been set up by several governments, that many of the Muslims arrested as terrorists have later been released, that non-violent Islamic religious groups/political parties/organizations are incorrectly labeled terrorist groups, and that both the name Al-Qaeda and the information spread about it could be a fabrication produced by intelligence agencies.

MY QUESTIONS:

Did the US actually keep its proxy war a secret and did the DB guys, including OBL, ever become aware of the involvement of the CIA?

I assume that the US did NOT want a “hot war” with the Soviets and given the hostage situation in Iran occurring at about the same time resulting in a lot of anti-Muslim feeling and propaganda, it really WAS important that the CIA’s activities remain covert. Also, since the Pakistan ISI was brought in, it does make sense that the CIA personnel involved did not interact with the mercenaries themselves. I believe this is true with OBL, too, although others have assumed that OBL himself might have come to the US for arms or even been a CIA operative involved in guiding Al-Qaeda in a way the US wanted.

From what I’ve read of his life, his parents divorced soon after he was born, his mother remarried, and OBL lived with his new step-family in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. All of his education including whatever university schooling he got before going “off to war” at 22 was in Jeddah unlike some of his half brothers who had some of their education overseas. In other words, he didn’t seem to be a rich, jet set, amoral person. It seems that most of his life in Pakistan near the Afghan border and his work related to the Afghan war, mostly recruitment, was rather small in scale and that the latter part of his life in Sudan and Afghanistan was one of austerity and hardship

Also, it seems to me that the DB guys figured that they were doing something honorable in these wars by aiding their fellow Muslims. For them to realize that their efforts had been shaped by the US would have lessened their sense of honor.

Finally, for OBL to have been setting up Muslim patsies and provoking them into carrying out terrorist acts (entrapping them) would have been totally dishonorable, and Muslims would also be denouncing him. Instead, especially the more conservative Muslims find him admirable.

What was OBL doing in Sudan from 1991-1996 and in Afghanistan from 1996-2001 (assuming he died in 2001)?

It seems firstly, that OBL had his children with him in Sudan, and he got involved in some large-scale road construction and farming businesses there. Also, one of his wives is said to have divorced him there due to the austere life and hardship. In Sudan, he married a well-connected Sudanese woman. He also continued doing recruitment there for the wars including the Chechnya war. According to Chossudovsky, he attended a meeting with the high-level Pakistani and Iranian intelligence officers who were actually doing the planning for the Chechnya war. Is that why the US government put pressure on the Sudanese to get him to leave?

It also seems that he was having health problems -- probably diabetes leading to kidney disease. After arriving in Afghanistan where he dies, he became involved with the leaders of the new government, the Taliban government, which did manage to get the opium production drastically lowered -- down 99.86%. In July 2001, the US government gave 48 million dollars to the Taliban government for this achievement. Of course, after 9/11 the US position towards the Taliban changed -- the US still does not consider them a terrorist group.

Did the DB guys who survived, including OBL, get involved in terrorist activities once they finished their mercenary work? If so, was it related to the blowback idea?

My sense of this was that probably like OBL a lot of these guys would have been married with families, probably marrying young as did OBL, he was 17 when married for the first time. So some of the original DB guys would have returned to their families and now be middle-aged.

My memory of the years of the Clinton presidency (1993-2001) while living in Turkey is that Muslims were grateful for the positions taken by the US related to Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya. They liked Bill Clinton, so I don’t see any real reason for the DB guys to get involved in anti-US terrorism. Of course, most would not have liked the way Israel treats the Palestinians and the US’s support of Israel. However, that support seemed more balanced during Clinton’s presidency.

It is possible, though, that once at home, the DB guys might have gotten involved in protest activities related to local issues in their countries. Protest and terrorism ARE two different things. It is also possible that a few of them became patsies related to false flag operations carried out by their own governments to blacken the names of particular protest groups. Importantly, in 1998 at the height of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, Bill Clinton got himself a big distraction with the Aug. 7 1998 simultaneous bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and with blaming OBL and “Al-Qaeda.” I guess it was time to ratchet up the anti-Muslim propaganda and time for the birth of Al-Qaeda. Why did they pick OBL? Since he did come from a famous family maybe it made it more shocking -- even to Muslims.

I did notice, as I checked out the various incidents, that when you read the details, mostly Al-Qaeda wasn’t directly blamed. Usually it was “affiliates” or “local followers” of Al-Qaeda who were blamed. Just what does that actually amount to?

Finally, were some of the DB guys hot-headed enough to plan and carry out some small-scale anti-American terrorist acts (by today’s standards)? I suppose so. However, I firmly believe that the big terrorist attacks such as 9/11 and the ones in Bali (Oct. 12, 2002), Madrid (Mar. 11, 2004), and in London (July 7, 2005) definitely were false flag operations and some of the DB guys could have been picked as the patsies since the US had information about them.

These big events have ONLY benefited the powers that be. They occurred at “convenient” times and in “convenient” places. They also involved the placement of sophisticated explosives in a very precise and planned way hours or weeks before the incident itself happens. This means those involved must have had the necessary security passes and access that kept them from getting noticed. These indicate an “inside job.”

That is exactly why 9/11 is so suspicious and why the incidents in Bali, Madrid (just before an election), and in London were suspicious (see Mike Rivero’s page on this).

Also suspicious is that new laws that restrict our liberties, in case we wake up to what’s really happening, are already prepared and ready to be voted on (months of preparation) and ARE voted on within a short time of these incidents. What precognitive abilities modern-day legislators have! The incidents in Bali and Madrid, for example, happened just in time to attempt to sway the non-supportive public in Australia and Spain to join with the US in its pre-emptive and illegal invasion (begun Mar. 20, 2003) or remain in it.

In conclusion, I can’t see DB guys going to Iraq to kill their fellow Muslims -- as in carrying out suicide attacks that kill Iraqis. Their earlier endeavors were all geared to AIDING Muslims under attack. Some foreigners could be there fighting the Americans as resistance fighters.

Of course, not all terrorism is blamed on Al-Qaeda. Scary local Muslim “terrorists” also need to be found. Agents and informants who provoke and provide supplies to angry persons might be able to bring about some action that will get these sorts of patsies arrested and wrongly accused and sentenced. The trouble is that Muslims WILL pay attention to these cases and also to the cases of those arrested and later released because these ARE injustices.

More importantly, all of the civilians killed in Iraq and those dying due to the destruction of the Iraqi infrastructure are also injustices and illegal according to the Geneva Conventions. In fact, things are getting so bad that it becomes easier and easier for Muslims to now consider the US, the UK, and Israel occupiers just as they once viewed the Russians and Serbs.

Marie K. 

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Bad news on the doorstep

by Madeline Zane

August 5, 2007
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FBI and IRS raid home of GOP Sen. Ted Stevens
 
Excerpt: FBI and IRS agents have raided the home of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK). The 83-year-old Stevens is the longest serving Republican in the Senate's history and considered one of the most powerful Republicans on Capitol Hill. He served as chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee for six years.

The raid is connected to a widespread corruption probe surrounding the Alaskan-based oil pipeline service company VECO Corporation. Last August, the FBI and IRS raided the offices of several Alaskan state lawmakers including Senator Stevens' son, state Senate President Ben Stevens. In May three current and former state lawmakers were arrested on bribery charges.

Three days later VECO's CEO Bill Allen and the company's vice president pleaded guilty of extortion, bribery, and conspiracy to impede the Internal Revenue Service. Allen had been one of Senator Stevens's closest political allies.

Contractors have told a federal grand jury that in 2000, VECO executives including Allen oversaw a lavish remodeling of Stevens's home. Since then VECO has received more than $30 million in federal contracts. The Wall Street Journal reported last week that Alaska's sole congressman, Republican Don Young, is also being investigated as part of the VECO criminal inquiry.

Stevens famously claimed a few months ago, "The Internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes."

Here's a way to remember the difference: The FBI got all that evidence of bribery and corruption out of Stevens' house on a big truck, but people are sharing this story with each other and calling for Stevens to resign using the series of tubes.

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Justice Dept gave implied OK to Chiquita's terrorist payments
 
Excerpt: On April 24, 2003, a board member of Chiquita International Brands disclosed to a top official at the Justice Department that [Chiquita] was evidently breaking the nation's anti-terrorism laws. Roderick M. Hills, who had sought the meeting with former law firm colleague Michael Chertoff, explained that Chiquita was paying "protection money" to a Colombian paramilitary group on the U.S. government's list of terrorist organizations. Chertoff, then assistant attorney general, affirmed that the payments were illegal but said to wait for more feedback, according to five sources familiar with the meeting.

Sources close to Chiquita say that Chertoff never did get back to the company or its lawyers. And Chiquita kept making payments for nearly another year.

Chertoff's tacit approval of Chiquita's payments to terrorists occurred while he was working for the Justice Department -- which means that the ongoing Chiquita-terrorist scandal has suddenly become just another example of how the Justice Department has been politicized to the point where it no longer functions properly. Have we mentioned that a bunch of House members have proposed impeaching Alberto Gonzales?

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Commander of Marine black ops unit warned Bush
that Tillman wasn't killed by enemy fire
 
Excerpt: Just a day after approving a medal claiming former NFL player Pat Tillman had been cut down by "devastating enemy fire" in Afghanistan, a high-ranking general tried to warn President Bush that the story might not be true, according to testimony obtained by The Associated Press.

[Lt. Gen. Stanley] McChrystal acknowledged he had suspected several days prior to approving the Silver Star citation on April 28, 2004, that Tillman may have died by fratricide.

He said that suspicion led him to send a memo to top generals imploring "our nation's leaders," specifically "POTUS" -- the acronym for the president -- to avoid cribbing the "devastating enemy fire" explanation from the award citation for their speeches.

Despite this apparent contradiction, Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal was spared punishment in the latest review of Tillman's shooting. On Tuesday, the Army overruled a Pentagon recommendation that he be held accountable for his "misleading" actions.

Army doctors suspected Tillman was murdered
 
Excerpt: Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

Among other information contained in the documents:

      • Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.

      • The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn't recall details of his actions.

      • No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene -- no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck.

As damning as these articles are, they are by the Associated Press, so they somehow forget to mention the elephant in the room: Pat Tillman, America's favoritest, famousest, NFL-iest soldier, was about to start speaking out about the war just before that "enemy fire" didn't kill him.

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White House plans massive weapons sale to homeland
of 9/11 hijackers and most foreign fighters in Iraq
 
Excerpt: The Bush administration has proposed a major new arms deal with Saudi Arabia and greatly boosting military aid to Israel as part of an effort to counter Iran by arming its regional rivals. President Bush wants to sell $20 billion worth of high-tech weapons to Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. The sale could lead help spur a new arms race in the Middle East as the Bush administration is proposing to give $30 billion in new aid to Israel and $13 billion to Egypt.

The arms deal is being proposed at a time when Saudi's actions in Iraq are coming under increasing scrutiny. On Sunday the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Zalmay Khalilzad, accused Saudi Arabia of undermining efforts to stabilize Iraq. Earlier this month the Los Angeles Times revealed that nearly half of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops in Iraq have come from Saudi Arabia.

I can't believe I'm typing this -- can't believe anyone should have to point this out. But 15 of the 19 hijackers didn't come from Iraq. They came from Saudi Arabia. And most of the foreign fighters in Iraq don't come from Iran. They also come from Saudi Arabia. So not only are we NOT fighting those who attacked us on 9/11 ... we're selling them more and better weapons. Which also lets them do better job of picking off additional Americans, a few at a time, in their own backyard.

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Iraq gov't: unions get no say in oil policy
 
Excerpt: Iraq's energy ministry is using a Saddam-era decree to crack down on trade unions and stifle dissent against foreign exploitation of the country's vast oil reserves, the Basra-based oil workers' union claims.

Hassan Juma'a, the union's leader, has been at the forefront of a public campaign against the signing of a controversial new oil law -- demanded by Washington -- that would lead to long-term profit-sharing contracts being signed with multinational oil giants.

But Hussein Shahrastani, Iraq's oil minister, has now issued a directive banning unions from participating in any official discussions about the new law, 'since these unions have no legal status to work within the state sector'.

In English: the Iraqi oil workers don't think the Iraq government should pass the U.S.-backed oil law that would sign over Iraq's oil profits to foreign companies. The Bush administration is desperately pushing the new oil law, while claiming that they are motivated not by all those beautiful oil profits, but by a deep-seated need to stabilize Iraq. Because everyone knows the best way to stabilize a Middle Eastern country is to get them to screw over their own people as a personal favor to the infidels.

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House Democrats to seek impeachment inquiry for Gonzales
 
Excerpt: Democratic House members, including several former prosecutors, introduced a measure Tuesday directing the House Judiciary Committee to investigate whether to impeach Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales.

Rep. Dennis Moore (D-Kan.), a co-sponsor of the measure, said the investigation was warranted given the questions about whether Gonzales misled Congress in testimony about the firing of eight U.S. attorneys and about a secret government eavesdropping program.

"The resolution isn't for impeachment, it's an inquiry," Moore said. "If the investigation concludes that he misled Congress and gave false information or otherwise, I would certainly look into whether further action is necessary."

Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.), who was a prosecutor in Washington state in the late 1970s and '80s, is the lead sponsor of the measure.

This is not only the right thing to do, I think it's kind of politically brilliant. It doesn't carry the stigma of a presidential impeachment, plus it's one of the few avenues left to hold the administration accountable, plus ... well, eight more reasons, actually. Top Ten Reasons to Impeach Alberto Gonzales, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Jay Inslee (D-WA).

Madeline Zane  unknownnews@inbox.com



Jingle Mail

by Mr. Chuckles

August 5, 2007
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"Jingle Mail"? That is the sound of the bags of mail delivered to bankers every day containing house keys, as borrowers do the logical thing and just walk away... which as the philosopher Simon explained, is one of the 50 ways ...

"You don't need to discuss much,
     Just drop off the key, Lee,
          And get yourself free" ...

Many loans going badly now ought not have been made in the first place. The borrowers will almost certainly not be bailed out unless their paperwork is squeaky clean (i.e. truthful) and they have a realistic chance of paying off a restructured loan.

That means that just as the rational decision by The Powers That Be is not to throw good money after bad, and refinance deadbeats, the rational decision by these borrows is to simply walk away -- mail the house keys to the lender and leave. Why keep paying off a mortgage that will ultimately be foreclosed?

The British have a lovely way of understating things when words appear insufficient: "Offering mortgages to poor Americans has backfired badly on the banks."

Markets in crisis: will it get worse?

Yep. It is said that payback is a bitch, but the bankers will soon be begging for the bitch, eh?

Meanwhile, have a look at these beautiful charts, courtesy of Mr. Mike Whitney (one of my favorite alarmists):

Mortgage liquidity du jour

The American way of expressing *that* is "Oh sh*t!"

Mr. Chuckles  unknownnews@inbox.com



They knew better

by Tofocsend

August 5, 2007
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Re Maybe, just maybe

You're absolutely right. For example, they had all that insider information about Iraq's ties to al-Qaeda and secret WMD caches for which the outsiders at the UN, CIA, and independent security analysis organizations could find no evidence.

Tofocsend  unknownnews@inbox.com



Fatherland security cooperation

by E13

August 5, 2007
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US needs Israel for Homeland Security?

U.S. and Israel agree to enhance
collaboration in homeland security matters


The same Israel that SPIES on the US? Or is this just a way of getting more American money to Israel without going through Congress??

E13 

  This might sound like a really good idea, if I knew a lot less than I know about American and Israeli policies.

Helen & Harry   unknownnews@inbox.com



EMP's and whatnot

by Sandra

August 5, 2007
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Re Three items to ponder

Good bullshit detector! I figured out it was BS after another 20 minutes of research I should've done before posting it. I also emailed the SSRT address on the website, which promptly declared it BS as well (although of course, who'd admit it? nah...)

I updated the site.

I feel a bit like a schmuck; I've been reading too much on EMP's and whatnot, little too much Alex Jones, forgive me ;)

But I stand by the theory that Pat Tillman was executed. C'mon, three shots to the forehead at close range, and no one and nothing else was shot? I don't know about all the cover up details, but that poor man was killed on purpose by American soldiers.

Sandra  (hope2012.wordpress.com) 

  Ah, you're no schmuck. I thought the story behind the bridge collapse sounded at least plausible, but of course, the best bogus stories always sound plausible.

As for Pat Tillman, I'm with you. Here's an administration that's never b