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Finally, a really good excuse

by Herb Ruhs, MD

August 23, 2007
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I just discovered something that makes our predicament suddenly more understandable:
"We are modified worms swimming on our backs, descended from an early equivalent of a brine shrimp which, for some long-forgotten reason, turned over."
Now there is a preternatural excuse for confusion and stupidity if I ever saw one.

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An inconvenient question:  Fine, let's make war against countries that harbor folks who do it or participate in terrorism. The problem is, how do we make war on ourselves?

Herb Ruhs, MD 

  Damn fine question, of course, but also of course, the fucktards in charge these days never hear such inconvenient questions.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Too scary to be true?

by Rhonda L.

August 23, 2007
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Re Pat Tillman's murder: The terror war in a nutshell

This is such a terrible story -true & terrible. Such a waste of beautiful human life. This is only a small example of what our government will do to anyone who speaks out against it. Scary.

Too scary to be true? Believe it!

Rhonda L.  unknownnews@inbox.com



I'm still alive

by Kathy Fisher

August 23, 2007
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If not for you!
Babe I wouldn't ever find the door,
Couldn't ever see the door'' I'd be sad and blue.
If not for you!

If not for my good decent like minded INTERNET friends, I too would feel like Layla's Arab woman blues ALL the time instead of just part of the time.

90% of the time I feel and know my future is shit! The world can't go on like this much longer, and we're all gonna die because of the rotten action of a small group of murdering fascist bastards who want to rule the world. It's that 10% I keep hanging on to. I try to focus on that part of the poison pie. It's the only thing that keeps me alive and kicking.

Watching those folks saying ''Oh my God we're alive, I can't believe we got out of that house alive after the storm/bombs made it fall on us'' ... Over and over every day I'm seeing scenes like this that make a person take a step back and for no reason and for every reason in this crazy fucked up world, say over and over and over again ...

I'M ALIVE and maybe the sun will shine on me today!

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A sad song of reality ...

You have my thoughts -- you have my heart -- you have my life.
What else do U want?

I thought of leaving you tonight.
I tip toe down the hall,
in the middle of the night.

But you caught me,
and you stopped me
said I didn't have the right,

All the while you knew
I wouldn't put up a fight.

All the time you knew I'd never see the light.

Repeat chorus...
You have my thoughts -- you have my heart -- you have my life.
What else do you want? What else do you want?

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)  unknownnews@inbox.com



No shortage of tax dollars, or embezzlement thereof

by JR Mooneyham

August 23, 2007
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Re For the children
Seems to me, in twenty years internet access will be a remarkable luxury in a world where water is wealth and books and pens and non-radioactive food are rarities.
At least some portions of the future are unpredictable, even for the best minds. That in itself can be a comforting fact in dark days such as these.

The current fairly open net itself is abhorrent to much of the rich and corporate. Too easily and cheaply accessible -- plus empowering -- to the individual, in their view. They're doing everything they can to reverse this; but so far many of their moves are sufficiently obvious and impinging upon enough net users that they quickly get noticed and resisted, both hack-wise and politically.

And the more people who get online, the more difficult it may become for the powerful to turn back the net clock.

It could even be that 20 years from now we can all of us access the net in our heads, with no extra gear whatsoever. Merely a certain type of mental training might be required (all the necessary electronics would be external to us). I won't go into the technological details of this possibility here -- but they do exist.

As for the scarcities of which you speak -- virtually all of them are artificial (man-made). The perception of shortages though is much better managed than the ramp up for war with Iraq was. For instance, healthcare isn't in nearly so short a supply (and thus expensive) in many countries other than the USA, even today, let alone tomorrow. And the more we learn about our biology and tech in general, the ever cheaper healthcare should get (by any logical or factual yardstick).

At present however, in places like America, as true costs go lower, industry simply widens its profit margins, or else hides the extra money elsewhere, via accounting tricks, rather than passing the savings along to the rest of us. And then has the gall to raise their prices still further, almost every year! Grr! And politicians funnel our tax dollars into the pockets of their rich corporate friends for war gear or other wholly idiotic stuff, then complain about a shortage of money to fund something like universal healthcare.

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There is no shortage of tax dollars: it's simply a fact those monies are being embezzled under the guise of security or competitive business matters or other lies. The politicians write the rules though, and right now those rules not only allow, but encourage such theft. And lobbyists are constantly showing the politicians how to make the rules even looser over time...so lobbyists are basically to politicians what drug dealers hanging around schoolyards are to kids...

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Part 2 of my article on such things is in-progress at the moment. But dealing with all the major propaganda points pushing a shortages mentality over decades requires considerable writing and references compilation.

I'm actually closer to done than you might expect! Ha, ha. Unfortunately, the final 10-20% of such a page's editing is usually the most time-consuming.

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Full-blown fascism

by Sandra B.

August 23, 2007
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Re Our entire political establishment is complicit

Welcome to full-blown fascism! Now you know what it looks like in action.

Sandra B. 

  I don't think full-blown fascism offers a friendly welcome.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Guilt equilibrium

by Joe S.

August 23, 2007
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Re Our entire political establishment is complicit

The Neo-Libs are as guilty as the Neo-Cons.

Joe S.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Wouldn't it be great?

by Cassandra

August 23, 2007
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Re Growing up

There are people who understand that some behaviors like invading the personal space of others, refusing to accept that someone will not interact with them, and being unable to listen to others are unacceptable socially. The people I've met like this know that something is wrong but are unable to change the behavior. They are not grandiose but rather very, very unhappy with themselves and their lives. Medication and therapy can't modify the behavior in the people I've met. It's not Asperger's Syndrome. I don't know if there is a name for it.

I thought Chris was talking about these desperately unhappy people who spread misery rather than the people in love with themselves who spread misery until I got to this line, "That somehow missed these lessons and cannot understand why anyone would not like them or even hate them." Wouldn't it be great if some of the names mentioned had developed this version? Much worse for the individuals, of course, but safer for the rest of us.

Cassandra  unknownnews@inbox.com



Criminal cops on candid camera

by Roger P.

August 23, 2007
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Please review this report and use the link if you see fit. Thank you for your web page! Thanks also for the commentary on Ron Paul. Your wisdom is appreciated.

Roger P. 

  Couldn't do what we do without helpful newshounds like you -- thanks for this video. We already posted the original, unedited footage, and this is helpful for a better understanding. And I notice, sadly, the TV news coverage from Canada is noticeably more serious and thorough than reports we would see here in the States.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Dishonor

by Wig

August 23, 2007
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Man charged as Medal of Honor imposter

As a Korean vet, I at one time would have been outraged at Terry J. Powell for posing as a medal of honor recipient. But since we have Bush posing as a "Commander-In-Chief" I can't seem to care much anymore.

Wig  unknownnews@inbox.com



Everyone's political football

by Dann

August 23, 2007
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Re Pat Tillman's murder: The terror war in a nutshell

Would you please pass on the following web address to Herb Ruhs, MD.? There is a Part 1 and a Part 2 to complete the whole article.

Pat Tillman as everyone's political football

Thank you.

Dann 

Doc Herb replies
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Promises unkept

by Margaret T.

August 23, 2007
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Re Our entire political establishment is complicit

I absolutely agree... The Democrats won congress on promises they are not keeping .

Margaret T.  unknownnews@inbox.com



For the children

by JR Mooneyham

August 22, 2007
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Fisking the "War on Terror"
 
Excerpt: Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican Party...

This looks to be the clearest and most concise presentation around of how US Republicans brought about the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

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Tots getting Internet identity at birth
 
Excerpt: A small but growing number of parents are getting domain names for their young kids, long before they can do more than peck aimlessly at a keyboard. It's not known exactly how many, but the practice is no longer limited to parents in Web design or information technology.

They worry that the name of choice might not be available by the time their babies become teens or adults, just as someone claimed the ".com" for Britney Spears' 11-month-old son before she could.

The trend hints at the potential importance of domain names in establishing one's future digital identity.

I've been recommending similar moves to folks for years now: to get a domain name while they're still available. If they can think of nothing better, a domain name based on their human name. I've been suggesting to parents to get them for kids, and to teenagers to get them for themselves, early on.

If I weren't so strapped for cash I'd probably already have bought up domains with the names of my niece and nephews, just for safekeeping until they want them (or the present risks diminish).

At some point laws might be changed so that you always enjoy priority for a domain based on your actual name. But then there's the gray area of rich celebrities or corporate trademarked names (like Harry Potter) being identical or similar to your own -- who gets the domain then? Plus, what if there's merely 107 other average Americans with your same name? Will all but one of you be cursed with "johnsmith63.com" or some such domain?

At some point your own domain name could be crucial for lots of things, such as reputation, credibility, and employment opportunity. If you're "Kerri Jones" and someone decides to ruin you online, it'd make it far easier if they could start by buying "kerrijones.com"...

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com) 

  It's a sweet thought and I like the optimism, but in twenty years, JR... In twenty years? Seems to me, in twenty years internet access will be a remarkable luxury in a world where water is wealth and books and pens and non-radioactive food are rarities.

Helen & Harry 

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War on the terror of drugs

by Cassandra

August 22, 2007
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Brainiacs say they can test sewer water
to track community’s meth, cocaine use


Our soldiers are unequipped, Medicare patients don't get help if they get secondary illnesses, and this is where our might go.

At least it's not being implemented. Yet.

Cassandra  unknownnews@inbox.com



Part 1, A Dangerous ratcheting up of
(recycled) accusations -- Is Iran guilty or not?

by Marie K.

August 22, 2007
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Re Dangerous recycling

Again, I feel the need to use my own reason and logic to try to make sense out of a lot of confusing reports and accusations related to Iran. Up to now I’ve mainly emphasized that Iran is not some “boogeyman/boogey-country” but just a country like all other countries with its own unique history and culture, geographical location and neighbors, resources and interests, etc. At the same time I’ve noticed that there has been a great deal of propaganda about Iran and accusations that have NOT stuck. However, now the accusations are really escalating, and they can’t be ignored. Has Iran ventured into disregarding international conventions?

www.fair.org/index.php?page=3037

This is a Feb. 2, 2007 article that DOES try to be fair which matters a lot to me. Why should I bother to read slanted and biased articles full of loaded words? I also like the way this article starts. It begins with this advise: “Don’t assume the White House (WH) is telling the truth.” Good. Then, the article goes on to CBSABCNBC (the mainstream media) reports along with a New York Times (NYT) “unnamed sources” as usual article. The accusations -- Iran is supplying arms, Iran has training camps IN Iraq, and it supports the al-Sadr Mahdi Shia resistance group, al-Sadr is a fiercely nationalistic Shia cleric. Then, comes the analysis -- Iran actually has the closest ties to two Shia groups connected to the US backed government -- the SCIRI (related to it is the Badr corps) and the Da’wa party, Prime Minister al-Maliki’s party. The fact that Iran has had wide-ranging negotiations with al-Maliki is also discussed. Then, there is information from U. of Mich. Prof., Juan Cole -- 99% of attacks on US forces comes from Baathist or Sunni Salafi groups with ties to Sunni Arabs such as the citizens of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. As for “Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia,” it has an announced policy of killing Shiites. Why would Iran support them? By the way, evidence of “al-Qaeda” training camps IN Iraq turned out to be false. The article ends with information from a Jan. 23, 2007 Los Angeles Times article that points out that US and British military officers have NOT seen evidence of arms smuggling across the Iraq-Iran border and that Iraqis themselves do have the capability of producing the weapons being used. Finally, mention was made of an NBC report only one-day after its earlier account with a former CIA official challenging the idea that sophisticated attacks against US troops can’t be carried out without Iranian support and that “made in Iran” weapons necessarily come from the Iranian government.

www.antiwar.com/porter/?articleid=11450

This is an Aug. 15, 2007 article that discusses the notion that attacks on US troops by Shiite resistance groups rose significantly in July indicating a “surge” in Iranian assistance -- more arms, funding, and training. It then points out that what actually happened was that the Shia al-Sadr Mahdi group has been under greater attack by the US since March and it has been defending itself. The article then points out that during a major US briefing there was no indication of MORE arms, funding, and training by Iran. In addition, stated is that after 4 years of looking for evidence of Iranian officials shipping arms to Iraq, none has been found. Also, one type of arms, the explosively formed penetrators (EFP), that Iran is accused of supplying, seems to be made by Iraqis since there have been “numerous discoveries by US forces of workshops manufacturing such devices in Iraq.” The article goes on to explain how the al-Sadr groups came to be fighting the US troops. Al-Sadr, through a spokesman in the Iraqi parliament, indicated that an agreement with the US was violated by the US so al-Sadr and those allied to him stopped their cooperation.

From these two articles and others indicating that Iran and the al-Sadr resistance fighters would not be allied, the answer to whether Iran has ventured into disregarding international conventions seems likely to be NO. However, Iran does seem to be supporting those that might be called the “collaborators” with the US, something like the Vichy officials in France in WWII. That would make me wonder what the Iraqi Shias think about that.

www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=12926

To further understand what Iran may or may not be doing, it seems necessary to better understand the resistance movement in Iraq. Another article by Gareth Porter dated May 28, 2007 points out that Sunni resistance fighters in the Anbar province of Iraq are in favor of working with the Shia al-Sadr group. Also, this article says there was a massive demonstration mounted by the al-Sadr organization in Najaf on April 9, 2007, with some Sunnis also attending, where a united front was emphasized by the demonstrators carry Iraqi flags rather than pictures of al-Sadr or other Shiite symbols. This article also mentions that the Sunnis understand that al-Sadr is NOT a pawn of Iran and that al-Sadr doesn’t like the Iranians nor the SCIRI (alternatively SICI and the Badr corps) which this article indicates was created by Iran and supported by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). The 1st article says some weapons originally given to the Badr corps (? by Iran) possibly are now being bartered and sold to others, and this was viewed as a relatively small problem. Of course, now Bush is preparing to declare Iran’s IRGC a “terrorist” group (BBC, Aug. 15, 2007). I guess this indicates that Bush is now “accusing” Iran of supporting the very corps of fighters that is collaborating with the US as though that corps is also part of the resistance. Is this a US double-cross, Bush too ignorant to understand this, or is Bush just figuring that no one else can figure this out?

Marie K.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Government workers, intellectuals, and businessmen

by Chris M.

August 22, 2007
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Bush draws Vietnam parallel in warning over Iraq withdrawal
 
Excerpt: US President George W. Bush in a speech on Wednesday will warn that a US withdrawal from Iraq could produce a catastrophe similar to what occurred in Southeast Asia after US forces left Vietnam.

Oh and that went so, so badly. -- NOT. The most peaceful area in Asia now.
 
According to excerpts from Bush's address released in advance on Tuesday, the US president was to charge that an early exit from Iraq would "pull the rug out" from under US troops just as their efforts are paying off.

Ya...With bomb blasts nearly every day that kill hundreds. Real good.
 
Bush's speech ties anti-war forces in the Vietnam era to the hundreds of thousands of people killed in the aftermath of the U.S. pull-out, and hints at a parallel disaster in Iraq if US forces leave too soon.

"Many argued that if we pulled out, there would be no consequences for the Vietnamese people," he was to say. "The world would learn just how costly these misimpressions would be."

"In Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge began a murderous rule in which hundreds of thousands of Cambodians died by starvation, torture, or execution.

Which had nothing to do with us in Vietnam. This was a reaction to Norodom Sihanouk, who was corrupt to the max.
 
In Vietnam, former American allies, government workers, intellectuals, and businessmen were sent off to prison camps, where tens of thousands perished," he was to say.

Yep, many of whom fled to this country with a good part of Vietnam's wealth. Typical corrupt republican types. Actually there are more than a few "government workers, intellectuals, and businessmen" in this country that I would like to see in prison camps and would not be terribly upset if they perished. And we know who they are, don't we.

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And what did happen after we left Vietnam? Well, the corrupt government in the end was kicked out. The Vietcong disbanded. There actually was a "Domino effect" in that the Laotian communists kicked out the king. Vietnam was able to kick out the Khmer Rouge and Norodom Sihanouk and stop the genocide.

In short, the area did a fair job of taking care of itself since we left and it is now recovering from decades of war.

Funny how that works out sometimes.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



From burning Montana

by Herb Ruhs, MD

August 22, 2007
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Today, clear skies. Breathing free. Lots of charred hillsides viewed from my yard. Still active pockets of fire nearby. Saw crews at work when I went north today to get [my wife] from the train. Missoula County, that's here, is blanketed with huge fires. The paper says the local neighborhood gigantic fire (Black Cat fire) is 11,500 acres and climbing -- www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/08/21/news/top/news01.txt

Drove past a small tent city with several very active helicopter fields where I saw five birds on the ground. It is all very exciting, if not annoying but we really have the pricey seats, good view and maximum safety.

Hence the joy at air you can't see.

The local news headline today was about the firing, or whatever, of the Undersheriff (funny sound to that title). The story seemed to say it was all about the Sheriff working thirty straight days with little sleep. So the Undershirt, no Undersheriff gets fired and the Sheriff gets sent for mandatory vacation in the middle of a huge local disaster -- www.missoulian.com/articles/2007/08/21/news/local/news02.txt

Must make sense to someone.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Abbas's ear

by E13

August 22, 2007
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After all the collective punishment:
Abbas & Haniyeh would face close election race
 
Excerpt: Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah and Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh would be locked in a close race if elections for Palestinian president were held now, an opinion poll showed on Wednesday.

According to the poll, 20.6 percent of Palestinians would vote for the incumbent Abbas, and 18.8 percent would vote for deposed Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas. The poll showed that 16.6 percent would vote for Marwan Barghouthi, a Fatah leader imprisoned in Israel.

Palestinian officials had said that advisers to Abbas were looking at options to exclude Hamas from participating in the elections.

Which is why Condi is apparently still whispering in Abbas's ear that Hamas should be excluded.... (a one party election, they could win THAT!).

If you read this, you will see where the next assassination attempt is likely to be.

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Maliki, in Syria, tells US it has no right to impose timetables
 
Excerpt: Iraq's prime minister lashed out Wednesday at U.S. criticism, saying no one has the right to impose timetables on his elected government and that his country "can find friends elsewhere."

And Bush, of course, is only pissed off because the oil bill didn't go through, and he may not deliver what he promised his friends when he went into this war. The oil bill is the first thing he always mentions.

E13 

  A proper headline for that piece might be, "Iraqi Prime Minister asks to be replaced or assassinated".

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



The end is near

by Sherri B.

August 21, 2007
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It's been five years since I started viewing our global economic and political happenings with a 24-hour microscope. Now that we've just about hit the wall that will test every ounce of strength and endurance we have, I find myself in a strange place. I'm converting from cash to silver and copper, figuring out security issues, weapons storage issues, reading about yurts, how to work land, finding reliable sources of drinking water, and being completely addicted to Backwoods Home magazine.

As the drama increases I'm almost fading away as I ponder what the next phase of my life will entail.

I still protest, write letters, fight for my causes and help where I can but I'm almost disconnected, like I'm standing on a train watching the bright lights coming towards me.

But there's an energy building in me. My mind is switching from American everyday life to pre-survival mode. I have found that more of my friends are feeling the same way. We're pondering long periods of time without "cash' or gadgets or electricity. We're thinking about building small, safe communities and freeing ourselves from the larger world around us.

It's probably escapist in nature, no matter how comforting in thought. The reality is that the world is about to stare hell in the face. I'm wondering... "Am I ready?"

Almost... I'm almost there.

Sherri B. 

  Wow. I know the feeling, and I've had more and more interest in some of the things you mention, but you said it better than I ever could. Too depressing to say much more, so I'll just say -- wow. Thanks.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Maybe it's happening

by JR Mooneyham

August 21, 2007
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Apparently rich foreigners may be pressuring Bush-Cheney Republicans to change their policies now -- leading Bush-Cheney to try to put into place barriers prohibiting or limiting such pressures.

In 'Hysterical shrinking America the guilty' I wrote about my hope foreigners would do such things, to prevent America from cutting its own throat, metaphorically speaking (as we citizens seem unable to pressure Bush-Cheney much). Maybe it's happening!

There is a potential downside though: if rich foreigners were to come to believe that Bush-Cheney were actually threatening them or their wealth in some scary way, and the foreigners were too restricted in political options (or simply gave up all hope on America) they might simply yank their investments from us, and strangle us that way.

Such a divestiture could hurt us much worse than an oil embargo like that of the mid-seventies.

A fear of foreign investments

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)  unknownnews@inbox.com



That's all I seek

by FOMAD

August 21, 2007
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Re I hope that I don't anger you

You've taken it as intended. I'm hoping that should Ron Paul make it into the Presidency that his leanings would be tempered by the consensus so as to be a much more watered down version. I'm not so enthusiastic regarding the banishment of the IRS and the FED, not to say that would not be a good thing but I am very interested in returning to a more Constitutionalized (is that a word?) government. Change from the monstrosity that it is now to a more controllable Gollum. That's all I seek.

And now, it's time for a hug-a-rama... Everybody!!! grab your neighbor!!!

FOMAD 

  Hey, a hug-a-rama's OK, but somebody out there grabbed my ass...

Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Growing up

by Chris M.

August 21, 2007
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One of the more difficult lessons of growing up is discovering that regardless of how one feels about another person, irrespective of the motivation, this does not in anyway guarantee they will feel the about you. I'm sure there is more than one person who remembers being, for lack of a better term, "smitten" by a member of the appropriate gender and to your absolute shock being told to "drop dead". Or being the 'New guy/gal" and trying to make it with the "in" crowd and being told to "drop dead". And visa/versa.

Eventually we learn from these encounters and to respect the feelings of other people and to take them into account when dealing with them. And not to necessarily judge them by it. After all, this could have something to do with our own personality. If we are lucky, someone will take us aside and in form us just why we evoke such a response in some (and sometimes most) people.

We then grow and learn and our inter personal relationships mature and we gain humility and the ability to be humble.

However there are those who have never learned this. That somehow missed these lessons and cannot understand why anyone would not like them or even hate them. They have acquired such a magnanimous view of themselves that the very idea that anyone would hate them or what they do is totally foreign to them. Can't people see how totally perfect they are???

Such is the case with Bush, Rove and Cheney and their followers. A complete self-admiration society. Each a groupie of the other. So they blame those who do confront them and become defensive -- accusing them of not understanding them and what not. Never once considering that they may be in error of have some defect that needs to be corrected.

The truly sad and scary part is, that with our continued "political correctness" by family, friends and associates -- we are generating more and more people with this type of personality. By not being honest with each other and our children -- by teaching our children not to be honest with their peers (always protecting their feelings), we are depriving them of a learning experience that will haunt them the rest of their lives. We deprive them of humility.

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Surge in U.S. home repossessions
 
Excerpt: Falling sales and decreasing prices have made it harder for homeowners who have hit difficulties to sell their homes and clear their debts.

The RealtyTrac data showed there were 179,599 foreclosure -- or repossession -- filings in July. This equates to one for every 693 households.

California, Florida, Ohio, Michigan and Georgia accounted for more than half of the cases. Borrowers with sub-prime loans have been particularly hard hit.

I was driving through Winter Park on my way to a camera store. Through, not the most posh section, but one right up there. Older houses in what is known as "Old Winter Park".

I could not believe it. It seem as if every other house was up for sale and those not fore sale were for rent. Even a few under construction but nearly complete were for sale and people do not build in this section to sell, they build to live there.

If anyone thinks that the economy is just fine, they must be on some heavy hallucinogens.

Chris M. 

Cassandra replies
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What about Bob?

by Kevin Good

August 21, 2007
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**IS THIS STRIKING? ** The up side of the savings and loan I mean mortgage fiasco is that Bob has stopped calling. You may know Bob. He is the guy with the thick Indian accent that was calling me twelve times a day with the good news I was pre-approved for a 1.5% refinance loan.

I only got one call yesterday! It sounded like Bob but he was selling Health Insurance for $49.95 a month.

Kevin  unknownnews@inbox.com



Skyscrapers' end

by Kathy Fisher

August 21, 2007
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Did you know how many of the presstitutes as well as most New Yorkers didn't have the slightest idea that there was asbestos from the WTC stored in the Deutsche Bank building, and that they covered it up with ENORMOUS sheets of POLYURETHANE to PROTECT the dumbed down public? Was that an accident that Bloomberg blurted it out or was it on purpose? And really how is placing polyurethane wrapping paper going to protect the public when this giant gift comes tumbling down in a demolition? If they are going to take the asbestos out box by box when the hell are they putting it... NO don't answer that I'm a Juursee girl I can guess where! Isn't it amazing how this 911 saga just get worse.

I wonder what would turn up if we could get some of that stuff in those boxes tested. My belief is that many weeks previous to the big event Men (MOSAD) dressed as workers got in those buildings when that power outage was said to have happened and planted explosives in the right places, not your usual TNT with charges but something more disgusting, NEW and deadly. Then they were set off with outside devices. Ask any IRA expert how this could have been done. All the cameras in both towers were either confiscated or destroyed, another clever little good luck charm for the cabal.

Bush and his cronies could have stopped a lot of the conspiracies by simply having experts come out and saying that the buildings had some help coming down with bombs, but then they would have to answer where the bombs were made and who really made them, They would have to have given evidence to an outside investigation team, and that would never happen. I'm sure 99% if not all of the firemen and police force of NY city know there were bombs in the towers, but fear is playing heavy on their minds.

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net) 

  I suspect everything but I ain't convinced of anything, except the need for a REAL investigation.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Where's that Republican "accountability" now?

by E13

August 21, 2007
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Washington wants U.N. to address Iraq refugee crisis
 
Excerpt: One in ten Iraqis has left the country. Baghdad's elite are trying to make ends meet in neighboring Jordan and Syria. Washington wants the United Nations to address the refugee crisis. In the meantime, the country is losing its best minds -- the very people needed to rebuild Iraq.

We made the mess, you get to clean it up!

E13  unknownnews@inbox.com



If this is what makes it to the internet

by CactusPat

August 21, 2007
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All I can say is, Holy Shiite! If this is what makes it to the internet before scrubbing it makes one wonder what's discussed in private....

More right-wing insanity from Family Security Foundation
(the group that proposed Bush as President-for-life)

by Philip Atkinson, Family Security Foundation
 
Excerpt: The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

CactusPat,  CactusPat's Blog 

  This is the wingnut mentality, the complete Archie Bunker plus money mindset that has taken over the Republican Party, the Bush-Cheney administration, and the American right-wing. And it's all happening with the corporate controlled media's blessing -- just watch how loudly and thoroughly this will be ignored, like all the other arch criminality and drooling insanity that's become operational American policy. ...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Pregnant with toxic fumes

by SirJ

August 20, 2007
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Re Prefect perdiction

From chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5067803.html: "Officials said air-quality tests in the neighborhood for asbestos and other contaminants were negative. City environmental officials said 57 air samples near the building tested negative for asbestos since the fire."

... but 103 other samples tested positive, 7 pregnancy test kits indicate the air is pregnant with toxic fumes and the 3 fireman sent to test for radioactivity now glow in the dark. :-)

SirJ 

  Perhaps Christine Todd Whitman can offer some reassurances, for old time's sake.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Colon blow

by Underground Panther in the Sky

August 20, 2007
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Ever see that Saturday Night Live skit/commercial for "colon blow", a super duper high fiber cereal? this might help refresh the memory ...

Well... there really is a colon blow.

Underground Panther in the Sky  unknownnews@inbox.com



Libertarians' blind spot

by HappySysiphus

August 20, 2007
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Paying your taxes to a BIG GOVERNMENT like they do in Europe is an investment in adequate health care for you and your loved ones, unions with balls that can make sure you get paid more than a poverty wage, an infrastructure that doesn't dump you in the river to die on your way to work, and a realistic adversary to the government that governs you the most -- The Corporation that holds your children hostage with the threat of abject poverty.    ... MORE ...

HappySysiphus (www.HappySysiphus.com/)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Americans' pain

by JR Mooneyham

August 20, 2007
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Maybe the fact Americans are getting smaller compared to other folks doesn't bother you. But I bet one logical implication of this WILL bother quite a few American men: the fact that their physical manhood must be getting smaller in proportion to other men, too (because foreign men are getting bigger in general).

And to make matters still worse, those sexually shrinking American men are becoming ever more impotent as well (their sperm counts dropping faster than those of others).

Mounting environmental toxins and dropping nutritive value in food are combining to make sperm counts for men worldwide steadily drop-- effectively tilting males everywhere towards being less male and more female each and every day.

Hysterical shrinking America the guilty

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Pain medicine use has nearly doubled
 
Excerpt: People in the United States are living in a world of pain and they are popping pills at an alarming rate to cope with it.

It appears they left out one reason in their list: the extraordinary mounting stress and injury being inflicted upon the population by ever more extremist Republican policies.

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)  unknownnews@inbox.com

  That makes sense, and I'd add: Seems to me this is an expected consequence of having no functional health system. When someone gets a toothache or an unidentified intestinal pain and can't afford a doctor, the symptoms are treated cheapest at home with ever-increasing doses of aspirin, ibuprofen, whatever generic painkiller is on sale.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Our entire political establishment is complicit

by Raymond R.

August 20, 2007
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The main result of the surge has been to move the end date of the Iraq War further into the future. ... Voting for either party or lending any of them your support means that you voluntarily accept your share of the guilt of war crimes and crimes against humanity.    ... MORE ...

Raymond R.  unknownnews@inbox.com



I hope that I don't anger you

by FOMAD

August 20, 2007
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Hey. I'm going full bore for Ron Paul. I cannot see another way. I cannot vote for someone that wants to play within the scheme using the rights that have been stolen. There is only one candidate that is willing to yank a few carpets and reaffirm the proper place of the Constitution. I will stand in and do what I may to help others. I can't do it all. I will do my part. I cannot sign onto anyone's run that says that they will fix things within the current scam (scheme).

I hope that I don't anger you, I am not sure regarding your response to KC, I didn't connect the dots where he lost his privilege, but hey, it's your website. I like this web site, have liked it from the start. That's the first reply of yours that has caused me to stop, sit back and say "Huh???" So, I've not really been "Off the wagon", I just got hit with some perspectives that I could not reconcile and had to regroup to see if my premise was reasonable. I feel that it is and I am going to stand by it, Ron Paul would/could be the catalyst to return us to where we need to be. If his stance is too severe, then it will be decided in the next election, but I sincerely feel, if we do get to vote once more, if we do not return to center, we will not be there again.

Love,

FOMAD 

  Standing up for what you believe isn't going to anger me. Gotta respect that, and I tend to get angry when people don't. Goes without saying: Say what you believe, campaign as you believe, and of course, vote as you believe.

You think I was unfair with KC? I didn't spend an hour and a half answering everything he/she said point by point, but I said why I wouldn't, tried to say it politely. How was I unfair?

Helen & Harry 

Just a quick reply, your response to KC seemed out of character for the patience, wisdom and consideration that I've grown to appreciate in your replies. That's all...

FOMAD  

  Well, I'll take that as a compliment. I offer patience, what little wisdom I might have, and consideration to people willing to honestly discuss any topic I'm interested in. But it takes a lot of time for me to write a semi-coherent response, and I don't do it for people who don't deserve it. KC didn't deserve it.

Having spent years discussing libertarianism with libertarians, I've made up my mind on the topic. I've got libertarianism doesn't work in the real world  filed away with other questions long ago settled to my satisfaction, like war is bad,  giant corporations can't be trusted,  and green spandex is a poor choice for pants.  Anyone's entitled to disagree, but re-discussing such things has little allure for me. Factor in that KC was a little rude and a lot ignorant, and I've just got better things to do.

But I wasn't rude to him or her ... Well, OK, I was rude, but at least I wasn't as rude as I wanted to be.

Helen & Harry 

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"Deported" from Israel

by E13

August 20, 2007
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Israel vows entry ban on Darfur refugees

Government: Darfur refugees will be refused entry into Israel

PM aide: AG Mazuz okayed deportation of African refugees

This is the follow up story, and the next one is about the fact that this may be illegal (but who cares about THAT in Israel? International law is for the others.

African Refugees / Expulsion to Egypt may contravene int'l law

(Of course, if one takes the NYT's line that these are "illegal African migrants", it doesn't sound bad at all.....)

The HaAretz story is much more detailed that the one in the Guardian, and tells of an AP photographer seeing one refugee in Israel tied to a chair, and of 30 being killed in Egypt by the police.... it also said the most of those being "deported" from Israel are from Dafur.

The government on Sunday said it would turn away refugees fleeing Darfur and seeking asylum in Israel, after it deported to Egypt for the first time almost 50 refugees that escaped the war-torn region.

Let's start calling a spade a spade, and maybe even questioning what all those Holocaust museums are teaching if this is the way Israel behaves to those who need sanctuary!!

An government official said Egypt has agreed to treat the Darfur refugees well, but acknowledged it might send them back to Sudan. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter with the press.

Egyptian riot police violently cleared a refugee encampment in central Cairo in 2005, killing nearly 30 people.

E13  unknownnews@inbox.com



Paranoid upper crust

by Chris M.

August 20, 2007
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Why Democrats caved on the Constitution
 
Excerpt: Many of the Democrats were furious. They believed they had negotiated in good faith with Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence. They sought to give the Bush administration the authority it needed to intercept communications involving foreign nationals in terrorism investigations while preserving some oversight.

But the administration held out for granting McConnell and Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales more power while seriously circumscribing the role of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The Senate's Democratic leadership, lacking the votes to pass a measure more to the House's liking, gave the administration what it wanted.

I can tell you exactly why the Democrats "caved". The same reason they supported (tacitly) McCarthyism. Because they are paranoid. It's the upper crust (both right and left) who, way back when, were absolutely convinced that Khrushchev was going to come over and personally take their TV, car and first born male child. They're now convinced that Bin Laden and all the Islamic clerics will come over and bomb their house, school, play ground etc. etc. and force them to wear scarves and prey to Mecca three times a day.

The religious right aren't paranoid because they are sure that "God is on their side" so they will win in the end. If I did not know better, I would swear that insanity is contagious.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Riddle me this

by Z

August 20, 2007
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I read in a book that in China they refer to -- translated -- "the House of the Venerable and Inscrutable Colonel".

If this is true, and I do not know either way, what are they talking about, and why?

Z 

  My first and probably only guess would be Kentucky Fried Chicken. (Fast food that sucks, by the way.)

Helen & Harry 

Wow, you are genius(es)! Yes, because the Colonel's beard is pure white, he is venerated as an oldster and he is inscrutable because he went to his grave without revealing the secret of the Eleven Herbs And Spices. (From Neal Stephenson's sci-fi novel, "The Diamond Age", which is fun stuff.)

Z  

  No geniuses here. Really, who's the world's most famous Colonel? Or maybe I read it somewhere and it stuck in my subconscious ...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Long life and good health

by The Canadian

August 19, 2007
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Re Distractions

Assalamu Alaykum,

Marie, I am not your enemy; far from it. It is evident that we understand our world in different ways and I am not trying to convince you that I am right and you are wrong. I wrote my ideas, plainly and simply, and I am not going to repeat myself. If you think I am pro-American and anti-Iranian, I can only reiterate that I am not. I have been corresponding within this web-site for some time, and I think the site hosts can attest to this fact.
 
Certainly, we can and do so attest.
Helen & Harry                             

My previous life taught me to perceive patterns where others may not. I try to express my perceptions of the meaning of geopolitical events within the context of my former life. Most often, unfortunately, my perceptions remain reasonably, but not exactly, accurate.

Some day soon we may lose our choice to believe in peace, but that day is not yet upon us.

Until then, I wish you and your family long life and good health.

Salaam and good-bye.

The Canadian  unknownnews@inbox.com



Prefect perdiction

by SirJ

August 19, 2007
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Re When a skyscraper burns

Yes, I guess it wasn't hard to infer what I was implying. I notice my prediction skills are better than my spelling. You could say my perdiction was prefect. But I hope you don't.

SirJ 

  In media accounts of the fire, I see little mention of the toxicity. As I understand it, this building was considered more than a little toxic, and that's why it was being dis-assembled piece by piece instead of being more quickly and typically demolished.

I would think having a building considered toxic go up in flames would create health concerns.

Helen & Harry 

SirJ replies
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Quick wits

by Herb Ruhs, MD

August 19, 2007
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Why do all our leaders appear to be acting under duress?

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When did saying enforce the Constitution become a seditious act?

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Money under the mattress

by Kathy Fisher

August 19, 2007
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This morning I heard one of the AM radio stock market analyst say ''When you get your quarterly reports on how your stocks are doing, don't look at it! The stock market has its ups and downs.'' Holy sh*t, that's his advice? In other words, it will get you discouraged and you'll want to get out, he continued to say.

Yeah, we wouldn't want people putting their money in their mattresses now, would we. Wow!

Kathy (klfisher@webtv.net)   unknownnews@inbox.com



By comparison

by Malcontent

August 19, 2007
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Re Hillary Clinton has leadership experience? Where?

More then bush anyway.

Malcontent 

  You could say the same for my mailman and the paperboy.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Flights of fancy

by HappySysiphus

August 19, 2007
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Re New York's Mayor

I forgot that the middle of the road in this country is right of the shoulder and on the slippery slope of the ditch.

I want to move :-(.

Still, isn't there some large contingency of the Republican party in the closet on social issues that just don't want to pay their taxes?

I was thinking maybe he would split with them.

Then, if there was an actual anti-war liberal running as an independent at the same time (say a Howard Dean?), I was thinking that perhaps the strategic argument that keeps voting Democrats voting for these so-called Democratic candidates, "If you vote Nader, Bush will win," would vanish and the prospect of an actual alternative's viable chances might cause a groundswell at the polls from the silent majority of non-voting pro-labor anti-globalempirical Citizens.

That was what I was thinking.

I am amazed I still posses the faculty for these flights of fancy.

HappySysiphus (www.HappySysiphus.com/) 

  I can put myself in the mindset of ordinary Americans, left, right, or center. But when it comes to the valley of the shadow of stupid, the last 30% that still stays loyal to G W Bush, the answer is no. I don't want to be within sniffin' distance of such people, and I don't want to try to figure out how they think. I saw Manhunter.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Medi-don't-care

by JR Mooneyham

August 19, 2007
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Medicare stops paying for "medical mistakes"
 
Excerpt: Among the conditions that will be affected are bedsores, or pressure ulcers; injuries caused by falls; and infections resulting from the prolonged use of catheters in blood vessels or the bladder.

In addition, Medicare says it will not pay for the treatment of "serious preventable events" like leaving a sponge or other object in a patient during surgery and providing a patient with incompatible blood or blood products.

The article says there's a technicality in a law somewhere that protects Medicare beneficiaries from being charged for what Medicare refuses to pay in regards to mistakes -- the hospital is supposed to pay (I wonder how many lawsuits it'll take to make that actually work in practice?).

But what about the rest of us? Private insurers will almost certainly leap onto this new loophole to avoid paying bills (that's been their top priority for years now: avoiding paying bills) -- and there is NO law protecting the rest of us from the hospitals demanding consumers take up the slack there.

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Involved

by Rolling Division

August 19, 2007
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Re Hillary Clinton has leadership experience? Where?

Hillary was involved in all the key decisions and the decision making process in the Clinton administration.

Rolling Division 

  So ... the difference between leadership and giving advice is over your head?

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



When a skyscraper burns

by SirJ

August 18, 2007
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7-alarm fire imperils former skyscraper adjacent to Ground Zero
 
Excerpt: The former Deutsche Bank skyscraper was in danger of collapse after a seven-alarm fire ripped through the vacant structure near ground zero and critically injured at least two firefighters, police said.

Betcha it doesn't collapse on its own! It was heavily damaged on 9/11, is ablaze for several hours as I type this, and stills stands. I predict it will be there tomorrow, unless they demolish it first.

SirJ 

  My husband and I have a little in-joke between us, whenever we see news like this that leaves a key factor unstated. Intentionally getting the grammar wrong, one of us will ask, "What exactly  are you inferring?" and the other will archly ask in response, "What exactly are you implying?"

Of course, I've already inferred exactly what you're implying ...

Helen & Harry 

SirJ replies
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Journalism vs propagandism

by Madeline Zane

August 18, 2007
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Judge orders reporters to stop covering
for Justice Department in anthrax case
 
Excerpt: Five journalists must identify the government officials who leaked them details about a scientist under scrutiny in the 2001 anthrax attacks, a federal judge said Monday.

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton ordered the reporters to cooperate with Steven J. Hatfill, who accused the Justice Department and FBI of violating the federal Privacy Act by giving the media information about