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Dialogue for Saturday, Oct. 6, 2007 

Nuremberging Bush and Cheney
by Mr. Chuckles

Heartless bastard lunatics
by JR Mooneyham

Point of order
by Scott D.

  Bumper thinkers
by Lexy Lady

No opportunity to mix and match
by Herb Ruhs, MD

Pretend it's sad
by Cartoon Corpse

 

Nuremberging Bush and Cheney

by Mr. Chuckles

Oct. 6, 2007
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According to this article Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was tortured for two solid weeks with more than 100 total instances of "techniques" such as water-boarding, naked freezing, hanging, and beatings.

Then the US torturers stopped, and asked for guidance...fearing that they might have done something illegal...

Gee, do you think?

At Nuremberg after WWII, America and its literally allies hanged Germans who did these things.

Secret US endorsement of severe interrogations
 
Excerpt: Reports of unacceptable interrogation techniques led to a shake up in policy and staff at the Justice Department in 2004. After Alberto Gonzales' arrival, the public started hearing things had changed, but new reports claim that things remained the same -- or worsened.

 Excerpt: The Bush administration had entered uncharted legal territory beginning in 2002, holding prisoners outside the scrutiny of the International Red Cross and subjecting them to harrowing pressure tactics. They included slaps to the head; hours held naked in a frigid cell; days and nights without sleep while battered by thundering rock music; long periods manacled in stress positions; or the ultimate, waterboarding.
 
Excerpt: Despite that guidance, in March 2003, when the CIA caught Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, interrogators were again haunted by uncertainty. Former intelligence officials, for the first time, disclosed that a variety of tough interrogation tactics were used about 100 times over two weeks on Mr. Mohammed. Agency officials then ordered a halt, fearing the combined assault might have amounted to illegal torture.

Mr. Chuckles  

  I share your yearning for justice, and I don't think we'll ever see it.

Helen & Harry 

W.W. replies
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Heartless bastard lunatics

by JR Mooneyham

Oct. 6, 2007
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The Republican collapse

David Brooks tries to explain how and why Republicans aren't nearly the heartless bastard lunatics they appear to be (and fails miserably).

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Matthews says Bush administration has "finally been caught in their criminality"

I believe my local cable TV company has carried the network with Chris Matthews' TV show since the beginning (for years and years now). Though I've never specifically tuned in to see it, I couldn't help but spend some time with him on the tube just by happenstance sometimes, while I was eating or what-not.

In all those times I saw him in action, he seemed just as much a shill for the Bush Administration, corporate welfare, senseless war, and Republicans in general as Fox's Bill O Reilly: I could see very little difference. So anything he says now just seems to indicate he's losing viewer ratings being pro-Bush, so he's now going the other way (on that single item).

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)  

  We don't have cable, so we don't even get brief snippets of Chris Matthews while clicking through the channels. My understanding is that he's a shill for Bush on TV, but sometimes criticizes right-wing hypocrisy and stupidity when he's not on TV -- in his newspaper columns, or as in this item, at a soiree for his elite friends. Which, in my expert opinion, makes him a spineless bastard.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Point of order

by Scott D.

Oct. 6, 2007
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Re Viewing the world and life as a vast shade of gray
[Americans] do not know what it is like to have guns tanks and bombs going off... soldiers shooting anything that moves... next door neighbors blown to bits... their relatives and friends tortured or killed... houses and cities blown to smithereens...
I am tempted to be a devil's advocate and say there are more murders and violence here than in other countries, especially just outside my door here in Oakland, but I'd rather correct the statement, "Except for the Civil War there has never been any bloodshed on American soil." I realize he is trying to comment that there is no war on US soil in recent memory, but this is an asinine statement especially since he said he watched a PBS special on war. Wars in the continental US: Indian wars, French and Indian War, revolutionary war, Spanish wars of conquest, Mexican-American war (also fought in New Mexico and California), Civil War, and the War of 1812 when the white house burned to the ground. I'll read college kid rants on other sites now, thanks.

Scott D.  

  I'm not the author, just the webmistress, but I'll just take a moment to mention that you're making me chuckle, Scott.

Pat yourself on the back, sir, you've found a factual error... and used it to smack down a stranger, puff up your self-opinion, and miss the point. The point, of course, is that Americans who are, you know, ALIVE, have no concept of war's realities unless they've fought in foreign wars.

I do apologize for our utter lack of perfection. Now, have you anything to say about anything that matters?

Helen & Harry 

Scott D. replies
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Bumper thinkers

by Lexy Lady

Oct. 6, 2007
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Stickers not seen, but read about in local weekly :

That's ok, I wasn't using my civil liberties anyway.

and

At least Nixon resigned.

Lexy Lady  

Lexy Lady replies
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No opportunity to mix and match

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 6, 2007
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Some of us only have one X chromosome and do stupid things like impaling his arm on broken glass and having to get six stitches today.

Herb Ruhs, MD  

  Sounds painful as hell but hopefully not serious?

Helen & Harry 

Assuming I am addressing he distaff half of Helen and Harry,

You double X chromosome people are so smug. Just because we are genetic cripples doesn't mean that we can't crawl. There is a wonderful book called Adam's Curse that goes into the tragedy of the Y chromosome and why we males are destined to decay further and bring an end to the species, unless, of course women take up parthenogenesis. Turkeys do it. Lizards do it. Rotifers do it. Why not humans.

Ladies, you must begin the work that will need to be done to be able to take up reproducing without the aid of the male. By the time the male line decays into oblivion you'all will have worked out the kinks and saved the species. Or at least your half. The good half!

Say, do you think that all us guys could get those great blue parking plaques?

Here I am stuck with a chromosome that has no identical twin to cross over with, unlike your two compatible Xes. No opportunity to mix and match and splice and paste to preserve the X indefinitely. How sad. And then the sun will burn out.

We the genetically crippled salute you.

Herb Ruhs, MD   unknownnews@inbox.com

PS. Oh, read your email again... You meant the arm, not the X chromosome. Neither is painful, thankfully. In the immortal words of Rosana Rosana Dana, never mind.

Chris M. replies



Pretend it's sad

by Cartoon Corpse

Oct. 6, 2007
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Re Viewing the world and life as a vast shade of gray

oh but they pretend they do, and they pretend it's necessary, and they pretend it's sad, they are pretards.

and if they are doing the shooting, EVERYONE they've shot becomes an instant 'terrorist' post mortem. if he looks funny, better to be safe than sorry. it's the pretard way. best to avoid letting them predict future events in your life.

Cartoon Corpse   unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Friday, Oct. 5, 2007 

Before the polls are closed
by UselessEater

Wails of pain
by Siskiyousis

  After the devaluation...
by Zebra

Just unreliable opinion
by Forest P.

De-Googled
by May

 

Before the polls are closed

by UselessEater

Oct. 5, 2007
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Shifting targets: The administration's plan for Iran
 
Excerpt: At a White House meeting with Cheney this summer, according to a former senior intelligence official, it was agreed that, if limited strikes on Iran were carried out, the Administration could fend off criticism by arguing that they were a defensive action to save soldiers in Iraq. If Democrats objected, the Administration could say, "Bill Clinton did the same thing; he conducted limited strikes in Afghanistan, the Sudan, and in Baghdad to protect American lives." The former intelligence official added, "There is a desperate effort by Cheney et al. to bring military action to Iran as soon as possible. Meanwhile, the politicians are saying, 'You can't do it, because every Republican is going to be defeated, and we're only one fact from going over the cliff in Iraq.' But Cheney doesn't give a rat's ass about the Republican worries, and neither does the President."

Another gift from the Bushies to the American people and the next Democratic Party's leaders of the free world.

It'll be interesting to hear how the underdog Dem leadership 'splain what their masters want us rabble to know about Iran.

I'm expecting better run publicity campaigns and more literate memos from the Clinton White House then the Bushies ever produced.

Dems need to finesse the same old bullshit which the neocons simply pushed through bribes, blackmail and extortion. The Dems traditionally have more groups to waste time wrangling and always far less dollars to spend or withhold.

The press will be talking about a new Dem/Republican foreign relations Congressional coalition before all the polls are closed Tuesday election night?

UselessEater  (spitting-image.net)   unknownnews@inbox.com



Wails of pain

by Siskiyousis

Oct. 5, 2007
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What do you call an American who votes Republican and isn't a millionaire? A "Sucker."
by Mark Ames, The Exile [Moscow, Russia]
 
Excerpt: What this boils down to is the old adage: Giving voting rights to Red State suckers is like putting a live grenade in the hands of a monkey.

If I might add a footnote -- I agree with the War Nerd most of the time -- so I only need to remind us that many of our greatest American writers came out of the South and we would be so much less without what they left us. But that was then. Now, those writing folk might like to bail out but they have this deep emotional tie to that land. It is probably harder on them than us watching this wretched series of events now transpiring. They are no longer producing great literature but wails of pain.

I would say sobfest.

Siskiyousis   unknownnews@inbox.com



After the devaluation...

by Zebra

Oct. 5, 2007
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Norman Spinrad's 1987 novel, "Little Heroes" is perhaps his finest. It is his only sci-fi novel which is, according to my preferences, totally satisfactory.

One thing I really like in a sci-fi novel, besides a coherent plot and characters which are in some way admirable, is reality-predictive power. This novel has that in a way that is matched only by Bruce Sterling's "Distraction".

Spinrad is, or was at last report, a New York resident, and his dense-packed prose has gritty reality like a skunk has stink.

Here is a brief excerpt from the second chapter which introduces one of the main characters, Paco Monaco.
 
Excerpt: Nada, man, zip! Paco Monaco had scored nothing in the past eight days--no dinero, no chocha, no wire, and now the wan October sun was oozing down the flinty gray sky over East Fourteenth Street, and it was La Hora Frontera of another wasted day.

You're getting too old for this shit, muchacho, Paco told himself once more. La Hora Frontera did this to him lately, he hated this twilight time between day and night in his bones, even as the gordos feared it in their tight white culos, if not for quite the same reason.

One by one the lights behind the windows of the Stuyvesant Town co-op towers on the north side of the street were coming on as the hordes of the gainfully employed sidled nervously past him into the safety of their nighttime holes. The zonies guarding the open gate in the high electrified barbed-wire fence paced in paranoid little circles stroking their Uzis, and then the mercury vapor spots snapped on, searing the cracked gray pavement with cruel television-blue light.

Without conscious thought, Paco found himself dashing reflexively across the gutter to the sombre side of the street like a roach scuttling into the shadowland beneath the sink after the kitchen light came on.

He stood there with an empty street-bag in the shadows by the stoop of a burnt-out building staring across the Line at the ancient redbrick apartment houses and cursed himself for the pettiness of his longings.

For he was still haunted by the faded early childhood memories of a life inside the walls of a project not that much unlike this one, over on Avenue D, when he, and his mother, and his two sisters, and two teenaged uncles had lived in the two-bedroom apartment of his abuelos. Memories of hot stuffy steam-heated winters and sweaty stinking summers, of rancid cooking odors, and farts, and toilet sounds, and the cries and grunts of fucking.

There had been real food daily in those long-lost days; chicken hearts with spicy rice, cuchifritos, eggs, Coca-Cola, bread, and cheese, and even the occasional ice cream.

Hijito, those were the days, his mother had never stopped telling him, after Abuelo Gutierrez had lost his job in the garment center, after the Devaluation, after the welfare checks dwindled away to a daily ration of kibble, when she staggered back, stinking of wine and cum, to whatever shithole they happened to be squatting in after a long night of hooking.

And then one morning when he was maybe fourteen, she just never came back, ODed, knifed in an alley, busted, quien sabe, and chingada, here he was seven years later, wishing he were what, some pale white gordo with a shit- ass job pushing a rack to the garment district or sweeping the floor of Macy's, with a quarter share in one of these two-bedroom co-ops, and a fat momacita he was too tired to fuck? ...

FLASH-FORWARD to 2007...

The Con That Turned the World Against America
 
Excerpt: Foreign willingness to purchase U.S. debt has kept interest rates low in America-thereby creating millions of jobs in real estate, home construction, remodeling and other associated industries. America has become so dependent on foreign money that if foreigners stop lending to America, the America you know today would not survive.

Even now, the foreign backlash is beginning to be felt. The U.S. dollar is dropping to lows never before experienced. In September, the dollar fell to the lowest it has ever been against the euro. Against the Canadian dollar it hit a 31- year low, making the two dollars almost equal in value.

So while U.S. officials continue to brag that all will work out just fine and that the credit crunch is contained, they are missing the bigger point: America cheated the very people it depends upon for loans. Now, foreigners are voting with their feet and are choosing to reduce investment in America. They are abandoning the dollar.

As Jim Willie warns, we “might be in the early stages of … a boycott of U.S.-dollar-based financial assets.”

But who can blame them?

Greed and corruption have been exposed for being endemic to so many levels within America’s economy. Who is to say that even U.S. government bonds more closely resemble subprime mortgages than their conventional reputation as a safe investment?

The world is approaching an end of an era. America’s moral collapse now lies exposed to all-a virtual death sentence to an economic system based on trust. Confidence lost, America’s reputation as a financial safe haven is being replaced with subprime status-and as foreigners have found out, subprime risks just aren’t worth it.

My comments:

Foreign takeovers of US corporations are increasing thanks to the smaller dollar. But if a dollar marked down 15% makes a takeover cheap, why shouldn't Qatar wait until the Red Tag 50% Off Sale?

At the same time, as capital investment in America by American corporations has stalled, their investment in plants and equipment -- productive capacity -- overseas has rocketed higher. We taxpayers have been told so many lies by the government, but one of the biggest is the fraud of "Supply Side Economics", in which tax rates are lowered to result in higher tax payments, or some such shit. Instead of using the tax savings, U.S. corporations have instead spent hundreds of billions of dollars to buy back their own shares, and to increase dividends. Likewise, instead of using dirt-cheap oil royalties and accelerated depreciation allowances to increase production of oil, or to fund alternative investments, the oil companies just distributed their windfall profits to their shareholders -- who themselves benefited from Bush's reduced taxes on share dividends.

As the U.S. increasingly becomes foreign-owned, the profits from U.S. operations will flow back out to the foreign owners, for their share buybacks, dividends, and taxes paid to their governments. What will be left in America? A giant debt-workout, and 299 million Americans renting their own country from Arabs, Chinese, Japanese and European landlords and corporate bosses. Just as BushCo planned to asset-strip Iraq by "privatization" and the famous "Oil Law", so will the U.S. be asset stripped by its new owners.

Remember the Clintons' NAFTA -- North American Free Trade Agreement? And how Ross Perot warned of the "giant sucking sound" of jobs leaving America? Well, it hosed over the Mexicans too, so much so that tens of millions of them swam the Rio Grande and took our gardening, housekeeping and other low-skill work. GM and Ford sent our auto jobs to Mexico. American corn drove Mexican farmers out of business, and now the price of Monsanto-ized corn is so high that the Mexican peasants can't afford their beloved tortillas! Meanwhile, Wal-Mart invaded Mexico and created "Wal-Mex", which uses thousands of unpaid Mexican children as unpaid baggers in their stores.

George Bush continued the "free trade" scheme with new giveaways throughout the world, sending more of our jobs overseas -- along with the capital that would have come in handy just about now to create new American jobs. He also presided over the greatest financial scams in history -- Enron and the fake electricity shortage due, and the sub- prime mortgage bubble. At the same time that he destroyed confidence in America's money, government and economy, he built a system of secret gulags around the world where suspects are, to this day, tortured, sometimes to death. Between his Crusades against Islam, his roving Death Squads, his torture and illegal imprisonment without charges of thousands, America's popularity and faith in America itself have disappeared. The only thing propping up this gigantic faith-based system of government by gangsterism is the idea that a Clinton will be in office in 2009. Oh boy. Eight more years of Bill and Hillary. That will fix things!

In the future, to just get by, most people will find it necessary to belong to one of the dominant economic posses. There are government posses, for example. Cops earn $75,000 minimum, and are exempt from most laws. There are corporate posses, with the top corporations holding more power than most governments. And there are union posses. The Teamsters just negotiated a $9 per hour raise over five years for UPS union members -- not bad. Or you can join one of the informal, feudal backwoods or underground posses. These are typified by loose associations of overlords and serfs, landlords and renters, etc. Each type of posse provides some security and stability in a nation run amok, though each has different costs and membership requirements. Becoming a Fed or a corporado means signing away all rights to privacy, dignity and self-respect -- total obedience is demanded in exchange for secure employment. Overlords and Godfathers demand respect. Unions demand solidarity. And so on. There is no free lunch. The only certainty is that being a Lone Ranger is hazardous (except for billionaire Lone Rangers, of course, because money buys *everything* in America, including security.) Personally, I prefer to have a Godfather -- the relationship is more honest.

Zebra   unknownnews@inbox.com



Just unreliable opinion

by Forest P.

Oct. 5, 2007
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My comments follow the brief excerpt...

Rising inflation expectations amidst an inflationary storm
 
Excerpt: The average person isn't concerned yet about inflation. He/she has witnessed and experienced rising costs in food, energy, healthcare and tuition while the government and media consistently proclaim inflation to be low and well contained. Do these people have an ounce of decency? The roots of their corrupt and deceitful behavior can be traced back to a fiat monetary system that operates on debt and inflation, which is a form of counterfeiting. Joe Sixpack knows all this isn't right. But he doesn't know the true cause of rising prices in everyday living expenses, nor does he believe things are unmanageable. At least not yet. To date the Fed has succeeded in obfuscating inflation to the public. They have kept inflation expectations low enough. Though once the public wises up, their confidence game is lost.

That is an interesting article, with some nice pictures in case you don't favor wordy rants :0-)

A few items of interest:
1) The ECB is very worried about the strong Euro, as they are taking the hit from the falling U.S. dollar, forcing the price of the Euro to high levels, which hurts their export businesses. The problem is that Asia, including Japan, China, Hong Kong, and others maintain tight restrictions on their currencies -- so that their currency falls with the US dollar, or doesn't rise. Eventually that will have to change and a new global accord will be implemented to revalue the dollar...probably that will happen after January 2009.

2) The price of a stay in a Medicare approved nursing home starts at $6,000 a month, not counting extra costs, like medical treatments, etc. Medicare pays for the first 100 days after that, you're on your own. It is two persons in each room, with very basic amenities and zero privacy. I don't know what the next rung down is for people who cannot afford this, which is pretty minimal...

3) Hillary and Co. are not going to reduce prices for anything. To the contrary, they'll raise taxes and inflation just so they can give you back a few crumbs off of their table later, maybe. It will all be a mess, IMO. The "Nanny State" will combine with Bush's "Security State" and then we'll be in a fine old mess. Imagine, Pelosi and Clinton and the rest of the old hags running Amerika. Oy! Better we should become Republicans, that way we can have our self respect :-0)

THIS IS NOT TO BE TAKEN AS INVESTMENT ADVICE, JUST UNRELIABLE OPINION. CONSULT YOUR OWN ADVISORS AND TAX ACCOUNTANTS!

4) Liberty Dollars...instead, once the current prices settle down, perhaps think about opening a brokerage account (which requires a minimum of $2000) and buying shares of SLV. One share = approx. 10 ounces of silver. These are all legitimate choices for evacuating the USS Dollar as it sinks beneath the waves (long term trend...measured over long months and years, not days):   LINK

Remember: wait until the price falls, perhaps to a 20, 50, or 200 day average (depending), and think about dollar cost averaging over time, not buying all at once.

Forest P.   unknownnews@inbox.com



De-Googled

by May

Oct. 5, 2007
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Is Google fucking with you guys? Try doing a Google search for "unknown news."

May  

  We've been blacklisted by Google, yes, but it's a little more complicated than "Google's f*cking with us", and probably a lot more boring. Basically, it's my fault.

Once upon a time several years ago, I added some descriptive words about the website in white text against a white background at the bottom of some pages on our website. Readers couldn't see it, but I figured that search engines could. It was an attempt to get search engines' attention, but it had no noticeable effect on traffic, so I gave up on that trick within a few weeks. Haven't given it a thought in years.

But attention to detail isn't my strong suit. I forgot to remove the hidden text from our HTML templates. Oops. So the hidden text sat there for years, as we used those templates over and over again, which means several years of pages on our website have hidden text that says "constitution news, corporate news, corruption, counterculture news" and so on. Or, depending on which template was used, hidden text that says "1234567890" or simply says complete gibberish. Also, for a year or so circa 2005 we used hidden text more benignly, as a placeholder for future links that weren't yet ready to go.

About two weeks ago, Google noticed. They sent us an email politely explaining that hidden text violates their rules, and that we're purged from their search engine until we delete or re-code all those pages.

I'm not sure what we're going to do. Probably nothing, at least nothing soon. We code our pages by hand, and I know of no easy way to edit code on lots of pages. And we're talking hundreds and hundreds of pages, so restoring Unknown News to Google's good graces would take a huge amount of tedious work -- opening files one at a time, searching for hidden text, deleting it, and uploading the new, improved pages, and doing this over and over again for basically every page we've created since about 2002. There's probably software that does that instantly, but we have no software budget (and besides, we're running Windows 95 on a ten-year-old computer with a broken disc drive, so new software isn't really an option).

Google has provided a big chunk of our traffic, and we miss those readers. Traffic is down, and our bumper sticker sales have stopped cold. But most of our traffic via Google was from people looking for old news, so the decline in readers is mostly on old pages. We're still getting pretty much the same number of regular visitors at our main page and new pages.

The situation sucks, but again, this is my fault, not Google's. You asked what's going on, so I'm answering your question, but I'm not asking for sympathy and I'm not even complaining that this is a grave injustice. It's not. I was pretty sure it was against the rules when I inserted that hidden text, and I did it anyway. Let that be a lesson to other self-taught webmasters who think they can pull one over on Uncle G.

Helen & Harry 

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Dialogue for Thursday, Oct. 4, 2007 

Viewing the world and life
as a vast shade of gray

by Chris M.

A little short for a stormtrooper
by CactusPat

The illusion of history as destiny
by Herb Ruhs, MD

Sorry, Mr Till
by Marshall S.

  Overwhelmed
by Margaret T.

Alabama dildos
by Cassandra

Commercialism
by theDrWho

Easily distracted
by j0hnsd

 

Viewing the world and life as a vast shade of gray

by Chris M.

Oct. 4, 2007
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In America "WAR" per se is an abstract concept. Except for the Civil War there has never been any bloodshed on American soil. The people here do not know what it is like to have guns and tanks and bombs going off... soldiers shooting anything that moves... seeing those next door blown to bits... their children, relatives and friends tortured, maimed or killed... their houses and cities blown to bits...   ... MORE ...

Chris M.   unknownnews@inbox.com



A little short for a stormtrooper

by CactusPat

Oct. 4, 2007
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Anti-crime unit to carry submachine guns on central Florida streets

What next, a storm-trooper on every street corner?

CactusPat  CactusPat's Blog   unknownnews@inbox.com



The illusion of history as destiny

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 4, 2007
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In truth, all of us humans are small, frail mammals. When some of us gain the power to coerce others these folks develop delusions of grandeur and importance that demand ever greater measures of dominance and control, ever greater obeisance and submission. Thus begins the struggle of the human community to heal these people, to reincorporate them into the human family and back into the realm of sanity.

This struggle moves inexorably through interpersonal violence toward the stories of war, genocide and environmental destruction that we know as history. Without this division between a minority of delusional, fearful people, driven as they are to form ever larger and aggressive groups, and the rest of us, there would be little to fill the history books. There would be no reason to chronicle the grand plans of great men and institutions, no reason to record the catastrophes of war, famine, genocide and great plagues, no reason to write about great religions and ideologies, for these would not exist.

The garden of Eden had no bullies.

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How to win the war on terror. Remove the motivation of foreign terrorist. Get rid of our terroristic leadership.

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When a society tolerates privilege it leads inexorably to a war by the few against the many.

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As a result of unemployment I have a lot of free time and am able to read a lot of books. There are way too many good books on the political situation in the US coming out now, and I can not keep up. No one can.

For those people with limited time I highly recommend Naomi Wolf's new small book (155 pages) The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot. Naomi is our current day Thomas Paine. It is foolish for anyone who contemplates a future as a free person in the US not to read this. The genius of the approach is simplicity combined with brevity. She outlines ten steps common to any attempt to impose authoritarian control of any society. History not only repeats itself, it stutters.

Herb Ruhs, MD   unknownnews@inbox.com



Sorry, Mr Till

by Marshall S.

Oct. 4, 2007
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Millions wasted on gov't travel
 
Excerpt: Federal employees wasted at least $146 million over a one-year period on business- and first-class airline tickets, in some cases simply because they felt entitled to the perk, congressional investigators say.

When you add that to the trillion wasted on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you've talkin' some big money.

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Mississippi county sorry for till murder trial
 
Excerpt: The county where an all-white jury acquitted two white men of murdering black teenager Emmett Till for whistling at a white woman, a killing that horrified the nation, apologized Tuesday for how the trial was handled.

State Sen. David Jordan, whose bill this year asking the state to apologize died in committee, said the apology was overdue.

The county apologized after the state refused to. I guess attitudes in Mississippi haven't changed much in 52 years.

Marshall S.  

  An apology doesn't mean much in the scale of things, but it says something positive that the locals were willing to say they're sorry.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Overwhelmed

by Margaret T.

Oct. 4, 2007
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Re God forbid you might actually want to do something about it

I understand your frustrations... I think people are overwhelmed at times ...these is so much wrong at this time in our history ...where to start to fix it ..

Margaret T.   unknownnews@inbox.com



Alabama dildos

by Cassandra

Oct. 4, 2007
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Re Supreme Court lets Alabama ban on sex toys stand

No jokes about virgins?

Makes me want to buy a purple dildo-shaped car and road trip through the state.

ps/ my spell check doesn't allow [or rather know] 'dildo'. Perhaps it's in Ala. too?

Cassandra   unknownnews@inbox.com



Commercialism

by theDrWho

Oct. 4, 2007
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Re What if it's all on purpose?

ahh, isn't life so pure?

the good ole powers that be need to keep you busy, need you to 'want' to buy the iPhone, they want to keep you afraid, keep you down, keep you in their monetary grasp, keep you taxed, and keep you wanting more, never satisfied. we are all just rats in a maze

this is the way commercialism works, you will be the consumer, forever and always, along with millions of others, so the few, the rich, the one's in power, continue their Vampirism of all that is left of the human race, and war, that's just commercialism as well.

and remember, not panic shopping.

theDrWho   unknownnews@inbox.com



Easily distracted

by j0hnsd

Oct. 4, 2007
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Re What if it's all on purpose?

This is an ancient tool of government: keep the populace off balance with an endless series of "crises". War, sex scandal, and good old divide and conquer. Been working for thous...HEY LOOK! BRITNEY SPEARS JUST DID SOMETHING!

j0hnsd   unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Wednesday, Oct. 3, 2007 

Serviced
by Kevin Good

Some dang fine readin', says Helen
by JR Mooneyham

  Empire?
by Herb Ruhs, MD

A dream in a dress
by Cassandra

We are not them
by Chris D.

 

Serviced

by Kevin Good

Oct. 3, 2007
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Re I once was lost

What makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside is "thank you for your service" coming from you. The hollow platitude freely bandied about by hypocrites just pisses me off.

Kevin Good  

  Well, I was mostly mocking the shallow cliché of "Thank you for your service", usually uttered by ass-kissers and hypocrites. When I express such sentiments sincerely it's almost always in sadness, because virtually every veteran I've ever known was screwed on some level for their service.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Some dang fine readin', says Helen

by JR Mooneyham

Oct. 3, 2007
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Welcome to my universe! Illustrated story index

This page basically shows how lots of wildly different stories on my site relate to one another chronologically, as well as in other ways. Plus offers limited spoilers of sorts for some stories as yet unposted. The index also links to more in-depth reference links for some story elements, something like how J.R.R. Tolkien included massive reference appendices with his Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Although I can't say my stories have a huge following, my email indicates at least some of those who've read them become pretty big fans. There's apparently multiple father-son teams out there trying to build clones of my old supercar based on details from my site! Ha, ha.

(Unfortunately it'll be hellaciously tough to get the parts for such an old car to do such things)

Plus, young people both male and female are hot-linking my story images from their MySpace pages.

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)   unknownnews@inbox.com



Empire?

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 3, 2007
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He who hath wife and child is hostage to the state.

As children, bullies: as adults, thugs: as politicians, Republican.

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The problem with a police state is the behavior of those considered above suspicion.

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Empire? We don't need no stinkin' empire?

Herb Ruhs, MD  

  Your quick quips are more reliable than toast and strawberry jam for brightening my spirits.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



A dream in a dress

by Cassandra

Oct. 3, 2007
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Re Fading into the sunset

I believe in reincarnation. When I was a teenager I didn't know that the Romani [aka "Gypsy"] people were still around. I thought they were a historical curiosity that had been assimilated, or perhaps killed off by bigots. Then I had a dream that I was a Romani girl of 18, standing and clutching a fence in Bergen-Belsen. The details were incorrect, as in the dream I was wearing a clean dress that was far too immodest for a woman of the Rom. It was a regular Westernized dress; even today the women wear layers of long skirts and long sleeves, with their hair covered [I think]. I remember the terror and despair. I walked into a history class and asked if the 'Gypsies' had been in concentration camps and learned that they had.

Since then I've been fascinated with people who can deny the suffering of the many groups of people who were the victims of mass-murder.

Of course, there are no gay people in Iran, either. They killed the four they had.

Cassandra   unknownnews@inbox.com



We are not them

by Chris D.

Oct. 3, 2007
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Re Why do Americans refuse to get angry? Why was Hitler not hung by his own people? Or Stalin? (I'm soft on most other 'commie bastards', sorry.) Or Pinochet?

Two reasons really.

Why do Americans refuse to get angry? 1)  Most people prefer to act within the law. I readily note that the law is quite flawed at this time and is easily changed by those in power to further protect themselves and their own interests. To step outside the law brings the full force of both corrupt and legitimate government, local and international, down on the head of the extremist. And notice I don't use quotes for extremist. In such a case it's not just a euphemism. Power lies in the hands of the powerful only. Which is the opposite of the ideal for democracy, but that's another long winded argument for another time.

2)  And then there's this little gem of a line of reasoning I hear all too often: "Because we're doing the right thing. So it doesn't happen here. So it doesn't follow us back. It's the lesser evil. It is necessary for us to survive. We're justified. We are not THEM!"

You see, that's the mantra, which always centers on the idea that the person saying the mantra and by extension those fighting on behalf of the person saying the mantra are somehow morally superior to the people whose deaths are being shrugged off by said mantra. We are not THEM. Even if we do worse, we are not THEM.

Now, I'm not a Muslim but there's a line in the Koran, (Forgive me if it's misspelled, there are many translations and they're spelled differently, same for the quotes) that I would find pertinent to a situations over the years. If those involved in such bloodshed had read and reflected on it and possessed a shred of conscience, it would cause them to slap themselves on the forehead.

[2:11] When they are told, "Do not commit evil," they say, "But we are righteous." [2:12] In fact, they are evildoers, but they do not perceive.

Yep. That's right. We're righteously doing exactly what we would call evil. Wait a second... D'oh!

A lot of lines in the Koran can be taken hideously out of context and/or interpreted as a commandment to violence, especially the Suras containing information on the rules of engagement during wars, but this one I find crystal clear... assuming the Arabic to English translation is accurate.

I know what some people are thinking right now, and this is exactly what was said to me when I not-so-tactfully expressed this realization about the rationale for the continued violence even by those who disagree with going into Iraq in the first place.

"So you support the Terrorists then? You think what they're doing is right? You want to let them keep killing everyone?" No. Just... no. And neither do the people that are doing most of the dying, but they're stuck with the same dilemma with a lack of legal political recourse and repeat to themselves the same stupid mantra. "We are not THEM"

Two men murder each other. Which one was the criminal? You only get to pick one. Vicious little circle isn't it?

Chris D.   unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2007 

The paperless society
by Jos

They are angry
by Eshemuta

Cambodia and Rwanda
by  The Canadian

A unified conspiracy theory
by Angry Annie

  It's f**king true
by Entropy Jones

I once was lost
by Kevin Good

Mostly
by foxmajik

All is well, everything is perfect
by David R.

 

The paperless society

by Jos

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Pissed and paranoid Lately there have been quite a number of thefts like this reported in the news everything from the VA (containing complete data on vets in the hospitals or seeking services) to Bank of America losing one that had the info of thousands of customers. I am surprised that so little seems to have come out of it. If we are lucky then someone is playing World of Warcraft on them. If not then the data is on file somewhere in North Africa and Eastern Europe in hands that have very sticky fingers.

If I recall Rivero over at what really happened says that the cure s to not just encrypt the info but the "key" and password should be stored separately -- on a flash drive or similar -- so that you need those to access the data. Well nigh makes it all but impossible to open the files then. Then NSA could but I doubt the average cracker is anywhere near having that sort of equipment.

Then again my first thought after "what dumb bunnie left that out to be taken" was "hope that isn't an inside job". Like being done over by the V.A. isn't enough you can now have them inadvertently help someone buy all sorts of goodies in your name.

Remember when we were told computers would make our lives easier, or the "paperless" society... Hah, seems like the paperwork has tripled this last decade. Maybe the computer bit is just a plot by the paper manufacturers? Right up there with these cards will replace you needing to carry cash... yeah then why do when we use the ATM card do they always ask if you want cash back? The idea was not to have to carry the greenbacks, no? Or was I just not listening?

Seriously has anyone ever gotten a paying job out of this internet bit that wasn't in some form of porn? Zen hugs,

Jos  

  A few lucky bastards have made some money, but not many.

As for stopping data loss at businesses, why not fine the businesses that lose the data? Something unpleasant, say, $1,000 per customer whose data is ‘lost’ or stolen. That might motivate better security.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



They are angry

by Eshemuta

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Why do Americans refuse to get angry?

wtf?, I see Angry Americans all day long. They are Angry because the guy in front of them is only going the speed limit and they are late for work/home/soccer/football/baseball/drinking/molesting the neighbor kid.

They are Angry because their favorite TV show has been preempted by another speech from that retarded chimp in washington.

They are Angry because it costs them 75 bucks to fill the tank on their SUV.

They are Angry because the teacher gave their kid a bad grade.

They are Angry because they can't get everything exactly the way they want it, and they don't give a shit about what happens to some village somewhere in the rest of the world.

Individually.. some Americans are the most caring and generous people you will ever meet. On the other hand these same people when facing a stranger wouldn't care if they lived or died, much less a foreigner.

As a group, Americans are selfish, greedy, obnoxious and incredibly intolerant.

Eshemuta   unknownnews@inbox.com



Cambodia and Rwanda

by The Canadian

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Fading into the sunset

You know, nobody questions the killing fields of Cambodia (Khmer Rouge) or Rawanda. Yet, the same evidence exists for these events as exists for the Holocaust.

The Canadian   unknownnews@inbox.com



A unified conspiracy theory

by Angry Annie

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Fading into the sunset

I've never been very good at keeping track of who's who on the dialogue page, but wasn't DanD the guy who argued for a unified conspiracy theory a few months back? Pretty sure it was him, and you called him on his sh*t, and he said he'd get back to you with a detailed proof of his conspiracology... but he never did. Same schmuck?

Angry Annie  

  Uh, same guy, but I don't think he ever proposed a unified conspiracy theory and I won't be remembering him as a 'schmuck'. I prefer to cut strings without malice, and DanD was an interesting character. I'll miss him.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



It's f**king true

by Entropy Jones

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Why do Americans refuse to get angry?

Because most liberals are cowards and don't have spines. I hate to echo the conservative attack on our political ideology but it's fucking true.

So many liberals want to sign petitions or have a drum circle jerk rather than laying in some weapon and ammo caches and getting ready for the inevitable Bush is now Emperor announcement.

Entropy Jones   unknownnews@inbox.com



I once was lost

by Kevin Good

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Pissed and paranoid

I got a letter from Veterans Administration that said a laptop with my personal information had been stolen.

Kevin Good  

  I'm guessing that didn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy and "thank you for your service".

Helen & Harry 

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Mostly

by foxmajik

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Why do Americans refuse to get angry?

I wonder what America would be like if we were mostly Buddhists instead of mostly Christians.

foxmajik   unknownnews@inbox.com



All is well, everything is perfect

by David R.

Oct. 2, 2007
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Re Why do Americans refuse to get angry?

The same reasons the Germans let the Nazi's run things. Same reason the Russians and the Poles and others let the Communists run things. Cause most of us are god-damned pussies who convinced themselves that our leaders are doing the right thing... because any thought that our leaders are doing the wrong thing hurts our little thinking processes, and then we might have to do something to stop them. So, it's easier to just go with the flow and say "all is well, everything is perfect"... Effort would be required on our parts.

Oh, and please don't think this is something that is confined to just America. Same could be said about people in China, Burma, Russia, and even all our nice European Friends as well. It's all peoples of the world who are getting fucked every day by their own governments. We can see it in others, but ignore it in ourselves... because basically we're all pussies.

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Dialogue for Monday, Oct. 1, 2007 

It'll explode
by Chris M.

God forbid you might actually
want to do something about it

by Kathy Fisher

Almost suckered in
by Herb Ruhs, MD

Broken arrow and empty quiver
by The Canadian

Doesn't lessen the disgrace
by Jos

We love Cindy Sheehan
by Zebra

  Pissed and paranoid
by Cassandra

Regime change:
Sam Stagflation takes control

by Daisy Moses

Out-of-control surveillance
by JR Mooneyham

Inviting the Taliban into government
by Al D.

This parrot is no more!
by Walt Diemer

Fading into the sunset
by DanD

 

It'll explode

by Chris M.

Oct. 1, 2007
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Endles blood and death in Iraq
 
Excerpt: By late September 2003, Lt. Gen. Richard A. Cody, the Army's operations chief, believed that IEDs not only threatened soldiers in Iraq, who included his two sons and a nephew, but also posed a strategic risk to U.S. ambitions in the region. "The IED problem is getting out of control," he told Col. Christopher P. Hughes, a staff officer. "We've got to stop the bleeding."

And if you think it's bad now, just wait until Bush starts bombing Iran. The whole place will explode.

Chris M.   unknownnews@inbox.com



God forbid you might actually want to do something about it

by Kathy Fisher

Oct. 1, 2007
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If you blink you miss the reports on the war and world news reports. They carefully sandwich them in with How to get thin, How to buy the right shoes, Where the best restaurants are...

Why? Because they want you to keep consuming, keep going to work, and not think about the real goings on in the world.   ... MORE ...

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)   unknownnews@inbox.com



Almost suckered in

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 1, 2007
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I subscribe to Mother Jones, but no other print media just now, though I do intermittently subscribe to The Nation.

One magazine that I find myself continually reading, while enjoying my home brought tea and my Starbucks hot water at Barnes and Noble, is Harper's. I was even feeling affectionate towards Harper's recently because of the space it has provided people like Kozol and Hersh. So I bought a copy today with the intention of actually subscribing.

Then as I examined my new treasure (nothing like the experience of looking at slick paper and dark print) from the comfort of the porcelain throne I came across this "Advertising Section" for the new war propaganda film. OK, I'm thinking. What doesn't have a little dirt on it these days. They have bills to pay, threats to deal with. Walk in their shoes stuff... And then I noticed that they hadn't even just put this thick wad of thin cardboard "Supplement" they had also made it deliberately hard to pull out!

At that point I was irritated at both ends and I turn to the back cover. NO! Two back covers! Each a full page thick stock identical add for Morgan Stanley. Yes that Morgan Stanley. The Morgan Stanley of pirate fame. The destroyers of evidence of pre- 9/11 e-mail evidence just admitted in court.
 
"Morgan Stanley will pay $12.5 million to settle charges that the Wall Street firm erroneously told arbitration claimants and regulators that emails they sought were lost in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The settlement with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority includes a $3 million fine. Morgan Stanley will also set up a $9.5 million fund to pay eligible arbitration claimants both for the failure to provide the emails, and for the firm's failure to provide some claimants with updates to a supervisory manual during discovery."
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It is as if in centuries past the pirates were advertising in the target countries that they robbed you and killed you less. Come to them.

Excuse me for a minute while I bang my head on the wall......

There that feels better. I think I will be reading Harper's selectively, as usual, in the book store.

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Re Light bulb goes on

I am thinking that you just provide a Chinese bakery with the little slips of paper. I tell you though, the thought of heavily armed police breaking open every fortune cookie they can find searching for "seditious" sentiments does bring a smile to my face.

Some companies that will make specially-ordered fortune cookies, but I'd guess it's expensive:

LINK   LINK   LINK

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Russ Feingold is the only patriot in the Senate.

Herb Ruhs, MD  

  It's tragic, but you might be right about that. I've met the guy (very briefly) and heard him speak. Feingold is sharp as a new hatchet, and unlike the ordinary Senator's trail of slime, he exudes only the sweet residue of integrity.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Broken arrow and empty quiver

by The Canadian

Oct. 1, 2007
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Re In denial

Stop reading the books and walk the grounds of the holocaust camps. I have, and it happened. If you want to put your boots on the ground, here is a roadmap:

Auschwitz-Birkenau, Belzec, Chelmno, Bergen-Belsen, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka.

Start your journey in Dachau: it was not engineered to be an extermination camp like the ones above, but it was the first "concentration camp" in Germany. It can be found in a town of the same name 16 miles NW of Munich. The sound of life outside the gates stop when you enter the main gate. It is the most eerie thing to experience, and yet many I have met who have been there recollect the same experience. You feel as though your are in a crowd of people but the interior space (and it is smaller than you imagine) is empty. It also still smells of stale death. Do you know what that smells like?

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Re Fits and starts

What is most scary is the recent "Broken Arrow" (possibly Empty Quiver) events involving the bomber loaded with the 6 nuclear warheads. My gut tells me that this bomber was not meant to be discovered. The stories explaining what happened impress me as "spin". What gives me a cold shiver is the fact that this event happened just before the Israeli bombing of Syria. I think these events were supposed to be connected somehow.

I wonder if the military/intelligence ops "outed" a Black ops event? I do not think an event of this sort has ever happened within the US Nuclear Command.

Perhaps I digress into a new level of paranoia ...

The Canadian  

  Detractors call it paranoia. I call it recognizing the sour scent of evil. And anyone who doesn't recognize it by now is living in denial or naïveté.

I have my doubts about the Minot-Barksdale thing, at least as part of a grand scheme to get a nuclear weapon to Iran. The U.S. has thousands of nuclear weapons, scattered all over the world. Trying to sneak one out across the middle of America seems more difficult and likely to be spotted than shipping one out of the Timbuktoo stockpile.

Helen & Harry 

You're right, it wasn't to go to Iran ....

The Canadian  

  For more local use, you surmise?

Helen & Harry