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Dialogue for Saturday, Oct. 27, 2007 

Helping INN WORLD REPORT
by Mr. Chuckles

Why governments are the chief perpetrators of terrorist incidents
by Herb Ruhs, MD

  Where his "lack of vision" might come from
by Chris M.

BPing on Americans
by Marshall S.

Hardly lurid at all
by Hazel Burke

 

Helping INN WORLD REPORT

by Mr. Chuckles

Oct. 27, 2007
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Our friends at INNWorldReport.com produce great TV and radio news shows appearing on Public Access TV and elsewhere. They are probably the only honest news reports on television today, at least in the U.S.

They are in dire need of money. I guess it costs a few simoleons to put on TV shows, even "public access".

The address from the website where you should send $10 or a gazillion or whatever is:

INN World Report
56 Walker St.
New York, NY 10013

Mr. Chuckles 

  I'll second that. INN WORLD REPORT is in our daily surf cycle, and ... I'm thinking here, want to be sure, but yes ... and it's the only newscast I've never regretted watching. CNN and 60 Minutes have made themselves into sad jokes, Bill Moyers does good work but wastes my time once in a while, and Amy Goodman is occasionally tedious. But INN WORLD REPORT is always worth watching, and it's worth supporting.

Helen & Harry 

Doc Herb replies
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Why governments are the chief perpetrators of terrorist incidents

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 27, 2007
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The basic approach to creating an illusion of legitimacy for governments today is to inflict such violence that it provokes violent response, which can be labeled "terrorist" and thereby justify more and increased state terrorism in the name of protecting its citizens.

Of course it is very inconvenient to just wait for a response, so there is a tremendous incentive to stage false flag terrorist events on a timely and cinematically compelling basis. As a result, while there are actual terrorists, their amateur contribution to the totality of "terrorist" events is vanishingly small.

The most transparent practitioner of this policy of provoking violence and/or conducting false flag operations is the state of Israel. The most enthusiastic student of this strategy is the policy elite of the US. But every large state must be held capable of this approach, and likely guilty, since plausible deniability is so easy to engineer.

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If corporations are persons, as they insist, then we need to have capital punishment for the murderous ones.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Where his "lack of vision" might come from

by Chris M.

Oct. 27, 2007
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Re Gullible? Uninformed? Nowhere to turn?

Kathy, it's not that exactly. It's an attitude ... an attitude that has taken over this country. It's not entirely his fault. It started with my generation. Seeing our parents working themselves to the bone and then dropping dead of a heart attack or stroke. Then those in my generation. We get our degree and work for years in some company and then are told we are no longer needed and tossed aside like some old shoe.

Sam Smith had one of his "Pocket Paradigms" which I will quote part of here.
 
Excerpt: "We have become a nation of hustlers and charlatans, increasingly choosing attitude over action and presentation over performance and becoming unable to tell the difference. It's not all that surprising because, whether for pleasure, profit or promotion, and in ways subtle and direct, our society encourages and rewards those who out-sell, out-argue, and out-maneuver those around them -- with decreasing concern for any harm caused along the way."

I thought of this and said to my self 'He's right'. Then today I saw an elderly gentleman in the local supermarket. He was pushing a cart with a crutch... the other in the cart. A few things inside. Mostly house brands. I thought to myself, though I do not know his story, probably a retiree living on a fixed income. May still have his pension, if he is lucky. Worked all his life for the same company but now is most likely living from check to check. Sam is still correct but I don't think he understands why.

A young person these days would have to be blind or living under a rock somewhere not to see how they are treated if they "play the game". If that was where you were right now, would you see things any different?

When 50 percent of the income is held by one percent of the populace. When getting a degree means being unemployed or under employed in the field of your choice. When it comes time to retire -- unless you are a big wig CEO -- you live in near poverty regardless of what you were doing or else bag groceries at some supermarket to help make ends meat.

I am not saying in anyway his attitude was correct or the recruiters are not slime. But can you see where his "lack of vision" might come from? And if he is black or Latino, it's multiplied by a factor of ten...

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



BPing on Americans

by Marshall S.

Oct. 27, 2007
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BP settles for $373 million
 
Excerpt: Global energy giant BP P.L.C. agreed yesterday to pay $373 million to settle criminal and civil charges that it overcharged U.S. propane consumers by millions of dollars and ignored environmental warnings, resulting in an oil spill in Alaska and a deadly explosion in Texas.

Additionally, a federal grand jury in Chicago indicted four former BP traders who were caught on tape discussing an alleged scheme to pump up profits by cornering the propane markets.

How long does it take them to make that much? A couple of hours?

Marshall S.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Hardly lurid at all

by Hazel Burke

Oct. 27, 2007
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Did Rudy Giuliani have mafia suspects tortured?
 
Excerpt: [Rudy Giuliani says] "It depends on how it’s done. It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it. I think the way it’s been defined in the media, it shouldn’t be done. The way in which they have described it, particularly in the liberal media. So I would say, if that’s the description of it, then I can agree, that it shouldn’t be done. But I have to see what the real description of it is. Because I’ve learned something being in public life as long as I have. And I hate to shock anybody with this, but the newspapers don’t always describe it accurately."

You got that? If it really is what it is, then it's bad, but if the United States has created a kinder, gentler version of waterboarding, then it's all good. Maybe we're just gently washing the faces of detainees.

This is an interesting post, and hardly has any lurid descriptions of sexual acts. A good read.

Hazel Burke  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Friday, Oct. 26, 2007 

Generally exuberant
by Wig

War underway
by The Canadian

Of bongs and Bilderbergs
by Pliny the Elder

Gullible? Uninformed? Nowhere to turn?
by Kathy Fisher

  Humdinger
by Herb Ruhs, MD

Based on perfect reasoning
by Chris D.

Deliberating before decisions
by JR Mooneyham

Choice fantasy
by Siskiyousis

They've narrowed it down to 755,000 suspects
by Cassandra

 

Generally exuberant

by Wig

Oct. 26, 2007
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Copters grounded as fires burned

If ARNold were a Democrat would he be vilified as much as the mayor of New Orleans or the Louisiana governor. Mainstream news media has been generally exuberant in their praise of ARNold as being Johnny-on-the-spot.

Wig  unknownnews@inbox.com



War underway

by The Canadian

Oct. 26, 2007
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US sanctions sharpen confrontation with Iran

Mark your calendar today as the day the Bush Administration declared war on Iran. The official declaration of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and its Quds Forces as proliferators of WMD and sponsors of terror, respectively is perceived by Iran as a declaration of war. As ridiculous as the US declaration is, its enforcement will severely undermine the Iranian economy, if not cripple it.

The US hopes this negative economic effect will create unrest within Iran's very youthful population and consequently create instability within the government. There have been stories of late of large uprisings against Iran's Leaders taking place on university campuses within Teheran. If true, the government may have to quell internal dissent quickly before it spreads to the general population.

In the meantime, I suspect Iran will have instructed its proxy agents: Hezbollah and Hamas to begin attacking the US and US interests within the Gulf region. Attacks against US Allies are also highly probable e.g. NATO in Afghanistan and Israel. Iran will not and cannot let this declaration go unchallenged. They will not let the Regime whither on a drying vine.

When reports start to surface of the use of more sophisticated weapons against said targets along with a higher frequency and intensity of attacks, one can conclude the war has begun.

The Canadian 

Marie K. replies
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Of bongs and Bilderbergs

by Pliny the Elder

Oct. 26, 2007
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Family Security Matters (FSM) announces its list of The Ten Most Dangerous Organizations in America:

10) ThinkProgress
9) Muslim Student Association
8) CodePINK
7) American Civil Liberties Union, National
6) Family Research Council
5) Center for American Progress
4) League of the South
3) MoveOn.org
2) Universities and Colleges
1) Media Matters for America

Be sure to immediately add these to your Favorites or Bookmarks.

They seem to have left off our friendly (sporadic) nightly (guerrilla) news service, INN, appearing often on Public Access (cable) television, usually at 3:30 PM -- unless they lose track of time looking for their BONGS :-)

Tonight's INN report had a segment with the author of a new book about the Bilderberg association. He is convinced that 9/11 was allowed, if not initiated by the Bush Regime, and that furthermore, the "War on Terror" is actually a war against US, intended to eliminate all of our rights and freedoms to render us helpless to stop the Bilderberg plan for a North American Union (Canada, America and Mexico), followed by a global government with appointed leaders and a single currency. Also, the purpose of Bilderberg is not "morals" but control of money and natural resources. No US president is selected without Bilderberg backing, in fact, nearly all have been members (except for Bush II, who is I suppose too retarded, but is surrounded by Bilderberg handlers, so that's ok...) -- and destruction of the U.S. dollar and American finances plays right into their hands.

I wonder if there is any *real* American spirit left to fight for our freedoms, or if that was another myth which was intended to lull us into complacency while we were robbed blind.

Pliny the Elder  unknownnews@inbox.com



Gullible? Uninformed? Nowhere to turn?

by Kathy Fisher

Oct. 26, 2007
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I was speechless for a moment, then I just blurted out, "Why the fuck did you do something like that?" You know what this young man said right in a store to a total stranger? This extremely skinny kid with long hair came back with "I don't care I got nothing to live for any more."   ... MORE ...

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)   unknownnews@inbox.com



Humdinger

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 26, 2007
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Humvee drivers are free range climate criminals.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Based on perfect reasoning

by Chris D.

Oct. 26, 2007
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Re Commie claptrap

Communist claptrap? Odd... That's exactly what Hitler said every time someone raised concern about his policies. Particularly when those policies involved military aggression and people being locked up for the rest of their lives.

Funny that... Wonder if it means anything?

Of course it never seems credible to compare anyone to Hitler no matter how startling or realistic the similarities. No, it's just 'trendy' to cry Nazi. Not that I'm saying your claims aren't credible, comparing Bush to Hitler is absolutely nothing like calling any statement expressing doubt or displeasure with the status quo Communist propaganda. That's unerringly accurate, based on perfect reasoning, and is always 100% justified regardless of the subject matter which is obviously why you did not bother to include any.

Well maybe not 100% justified. After all the passing of various minimum wage, child labor, equal rights, and religious freedom laws are now American staples rather than the communist plots they were first made out to be. But you are still so incredibly right about the Anti-American cries for democratic process and constant challenges to the President's constitutional authority to remove from law all that which limits his authority including the constitution. Oh, when I say it out loud it doesn't sound so right. Um, okay so you're still right about how everyone on the site hates God, what with their prayers for America to be saved from war and tyranny. Wait. Prayers. Hmm. Okay, so you're wrong about everything except the occasional promotion of gay and lesbian rights. You're right about that, except that you're just plain wrong to call it wrong. I don't swing that way but if two consenting adults want to roll in the hay that's nobody's business but theirs. And marriage? It's a ceremony and the conferring of legal status. Since church and state are separated for democratic purposes the tenets of religion should not hold sway over the legal designation. Especially not when it's going by what a single religion says.

Now that I think about it I'd like it if you'd go away and not come back. You had a chance to prove you had an opinion that mattered based on something you read for more than 5 seconds but you basically blew it.

Chris D. 

  Well said, Chris, but ... though to my knowledge I've never heard from Lee Zable before, I'm virtually certain there's nobody home there.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Deliberating before decisions

by JR Mooneyham

Oct. 26, 2007
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Re Spokesman says Obama will support filibuster of any bill containing telecom immunity

I agree with you in general. But it's also true that people of good intent often need to read up on something and spend some time considering it before they make a decision. I wish that had happened with the first version of the PATRIOT Act after 9-11-01 -- but it didn't. Hardly any of the Congress read it and thought about it before voting it in!

Even in my own fitter youth (when my thinking seemed faster, and my memory clearer) there were some matters I didn't feel ready to make decisions about for YEARS, myself. No matter how hard I tried to dig into them.

It's a general rule of thumb that good people MUST be more cautious and deliberate in their decisions, than bad folks usually are. Notice how Bush has always played up his own 'decisiveness' on many matters...

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com) 

  You're a nice guy, JR. Nicer than me, fer sure.

I don't know what Barack Obama's intent might be, but until I see him do a few things that show integrity -- and nothing he's done comes quickly to mind -- I can't assume he has good intentions. Much safer, since he's a Senator, to assume he doesn't.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



They've narrowed it down to 755,000 suspects

by Cassandra

Oct. 26, 2007
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Report: U.S. terror 'watch list' may be getting too long

Gee, d'ya think?

Cassandra  unknownnews@inbox.com



Choice fantasy

by Siskiyousis

Oct. 26, 2007
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Re Media offers the anti-truth, and nothing but

I know exactly what you mean. Suggest you read Morford's column today, but especially the comments -- many pages of them.

We had been watching Planet in Peril on CNN and reading environmental info on TruthOut and finally Hal had too much and not even halfway thru the Daily Show, switched over to Nightmare Before Christmas. He adores the music of Danny Elfman.

A change for the better. Fantasy, but choice fantasy.

Siskiyousis  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Thursday, Oct. 25, 2007 

Einsatzgruppen in Iraq
by Dave M.

Media offers the anti-truth,
and nothing but

by Mr. Chuckles

Presidential load
by Wig

Complimentary
by SirJ

  Dictators on discount
by Marshall S.

"Christians" and "Jews" are
exemplary on this point

by Chris M.

Toilet or not to toilet
by Jos

Commie claptrap
by Lee Zable

 

Einsatzgruppen in Iraq

by Dave M.

Oct. 25, 2007
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Thanks again for your great website. I am presently unemployed but I promise to send some dough when I find work. I know, get to the point.

Well, it seems to me the present state of battle in Iraq, house to house search and destroy, is much like the infamous Einsatzgruppen campaign. While it is difficult to know the truth of WWII because of a winner take all conclusion, the 'dreaded' Einsatzgruppen are said to have summarily executed any thought to be enemy sympathizers. Sound familiar?

I suppose it is considered impolite to criticize our boys in Iraq. It just seems like a glaring similarity. Isn't it about 10,000/month now? Are insurgents evil people?

I know these are difficult questions. You know more than I. I fear for the good people of Iraq. God help us all.

Dave M. 

  Something I've pondered all too briefly but never yet put into words, and you've put it perfectly. Dang right and thank you.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com

  PS: Please send no dough, now or ever, and please never give it another thought. People who have cash should send it all to us :) but people who don't (poor people like us) should just buy themselves a beer. Cheers!



Media offers the anti-truth, and nothing but

by Mr. Chuckles

Oct. 25, 2007
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I have come to expect the professional new media to provide information that is so totally slanted and couched in terms deferential to "authority" that it is 180 degrees from the truth, and is thus, Anti-Truth.   ... MORE ...

Mr. Chuckles  unknownnews@inbox.com



Presidential load

by Wig

Oct. 26, 2007
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Afghanistan is lost, says Lord Ashdown

Bush must be s----ing in his pants.

Wig 

  I doubt that Bush or anyone in the White House gives a fat damn in hell about Afghanistan, or about the American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines they've posted and abandoned there. As with everything else, there are a few people in the Bush administration whose job involves stoking the perception that everything's swell in Afghanistan, but I don't think the reality of it ever even enters their minds.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Complimentary

by SirJ

Oct. 25, 2007
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Re Peebs and Codetalkers

Every time my toilet overflows I head for higher ground until the shitnami has subsided. From now on I will name the highwater mark after you. I mean that as a compliment too.

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Favicon is still missing. You could create a separate webpage for testing purposes, e.g. www.unknownnews.com/waterboarding.htm. If the page goes splat, nobody is the wiser. Best of all, you didn't torture anybody!

SirJ 

  Here, try some waterboarding. I hear it's not at all like torture.

It says here that earlier versions of IE only showed the favicon in bookmarks, not in the address bar. What version of IE are you using? I'm using IE 5.0, and in my latest experiments the favicon shows up in bookmarks, so long as the page was bookmarked after we added the favicon, a week or so ago.

(Two minutes later) And ooh, much to my surprise, it also shows up in the address bar, but only on bookmarked pages. Try bookmarking waterboarding.html and see if that works (fingers crossed).

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Dictators on discount

by Marshall S.

Oct. 25, 2007
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Castro claims Bush could spark WWIII
 
Excerpt: Fidel Castro wrote Tuesday that President Bush is threatening the world with nuclear war and famine -- an attack on Washington a day before the White House was to announce new plans to draw Cuba away from communism..

"The danger of a massive world famine is aggravated by Mr. Bush's recent initiative to transform foods into fuel," Castro wrote in Cuban news media, referring to U.S. support for using corn and other food crops to produce gasoline substitutes. The brief essay titled "Bush, Hunger and Death" also alleged that Bush "threatens humanity with World War III, this time using atomic weapons."

"Dictators say a lot of things, and most of them can be discounted, including that," said White House press secretary Dana Perino.

Bush has said a lot of things that can be discounted. I guess that makes Bush a dictator.

Marshall S. 

  The Associated Press's headline, "Castro claims Bush could spark WWIII," is a laughable attempt to spin the unspinnable. I suppose if Castro said water was wet, the headline would be "Castro claims water is wet".

Bush has brought up the specter of World War III, and anyone with a quarter-ounce of consciousness understands that the odds aren't long against Bush sparking WWIII. So Castro is just plain inarguably correct, and the headline is a weak attempt at propaganda.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



"Christians" and "Jews" are exemplary on this point

by Chris M.

Oct. 25, 2007
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Excerpt: Mr Bush told reporters at the White House: "Today I've signed a major disaster declaration, which will then enable federal funds to start heading toward the families who have been affected by these fires ... The effort is well coordinated. I know we're getting the manpower and assets on the ground that have been requested by the state and local authorities."

Those who lost their half-million dollar homes should get spit from the government. They can jolly well foot the bill including temporary shelter themselves. No trailers ... nothing. They chose to live where they lived and were willing to pay a pretty penny for it, so tough cookies.

After all, that is what FEMA did for the poor in New Orleans.

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Oklahoma lawmakers object to gift of Korans, return their copies to advisory panel
 
Excerpt: Two dozen Oklahoma lawmakers plan to return copies of the Koran to a state panel on diversity after a lawmaker claimed the Muslim holy book condones the killing of innocent people.

The books were given to Oklahoma's 149 senators and representatives by the Governor's Ethnic American Advisory Council.

"Most Oklahomans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology," Representative Rex Duncan said.

Oh Brother !! And "Christians" and "Jews" are exemplary on this point ...NOT. Talk about your self-righteous hypocrisy. What do you call what we have been doing in Iraq, what we did to Dresden, and Vietnam, what Israel has been doing to Palestine. Give me a break.

Chris M. 

  The standard fake-Christian's explanation is that when Americans bomb and kill and main brown people, it's with sadness and it's God's will. When the brown people kill Americans it's because they're Islamo-savages.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Toilet or not to toilet

by Jos

Oct. 25, 2007
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Re Pumping toilet water and Peebs

I am so trying to keep a straight face after reading all about everyone's adventures in toiletland. omg... Funniest exchange I have read in a long time and so welcome. What with all in all going on in the so-called real world a laugh is just what I need. Was thinking of adding my 2 cents but decided not to take the "plunge"... Was going to say that next time anyone says we are full of ---- well show them this and it is obvious we aren't, otherwise this would never have come up. Was half thinking of making a crack about flushed with success or it is good to have the lowdown, the real poop on the matter but will try to refrain. (looks innocent, completely fails at looking innocent...) well at least we try harder which makes us number... oh dear...! (My bowl runneth over!)

Colbert and Stewart have competition here ... thanks all

Jos 

  I like poop humor and fart jokes.

Helen & Harry 

So I take it you have been reading the Congressional Record?

Well, at least I didn't use Piers Anthony's joke about magical being Whinny the Pooh from the land of Xanth! Oh wait, I just did, didn't I! Oh poot!

Jos  unknownnews@inbox.com



Commie claptrap

by Lee Zable

Oct. 25, 2007
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So I've been looking around your so-called "Unknown News" and I haven't yet found anything that's either news or unknown. Just a lot of anti-America terrorist-coddling gay-friendly God-hating communist claptrap.

Lee Zable 
rankandfile@reborn.com 

  Try reading, instead of just "looking around."

Helen & Harry 

Chris D. replies
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Dialogue for Wednesday, Oct. 24, 2007 

Pay for your past with the future
by Kathy Fisher

Draw your own conclusions
by Bobby Fong

  Status quo
by Herb Ruhs, MD

Codetalkers
by SirJ

 

Pay for your past with the future

by Kathy Fisher

Oct. 24, 2007
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Cash-strapped Americans raiding their 401(k)s

The common folk propping up the royal stock holders. They're nothing without you! You people will be robbed in the end any way. Might as well take money from Peter to pay Paul. Pay for your past with the future. What a terrible ponzi scheme. They are using good money to help bad people's bad deals.

What a great economy!

Raid your 401-Ks, guys, take it all out. Let it crash, freeze your account as you pay it back and then take the rest out and get out of debt all together or you'll loose your shirts...

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Nobel Laureate: 9/11 "not that terrible"

Oh Doris, please go soak your feet!

Some will not like me saying this but since I'm very sympathetic toward the Irish cause (the Troubles). Always will be so don't try and change my mind.

I despised Churchill sending for sending in the Black and Tans and good riddance to Lord Louis Mount Battennown to royal revitive and inbreeders as ''Uncle Dicky'') got what he deserve. I'm sorry innocent people had to die but it was all the British government's fault. The dictatorial SOBs! never gave an inch.

Now as to comparing 9/11 with as what Ms. Lessing says she considers it not as bad as the attacks of the IRA on Britain. Well, that's her opinion.

I don't feel the same. I look at 9/11 as a false flag event perpetrated by thieves that took over our country and placed themselves as heads of state and what they did to over 3000 American citizens to get us into a war for Israel as one of the biggest horrors of the world!

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net) 

  The Troubles hit a lot closer to home for ol' Doris than 9/11, and if that's her perspective that's her perspective. For most Americans 9/11 was the Worst Thing Ever... mostly because it happened to Americans, in America. To my perspective it's much more important to see 9/11 in the context of how it's been used and abused. A million people are dead because of the American response to the events of that day, and these triggering events have never really been investigated.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Draw your own conclusions

by Bobby Fong

Oct. 24, 2007
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I remain agnostic on the question of what caused the Twin Towers to collapse so very neatly, so very unlike any other skyscrapers that have burned. I'm agnostic on whether the plane over Pennsylvania was shot down or crashed. I'm agnostic on a lot of things about 9/11, things that a lot of people seem to take on faith.

I'm not at all agnostic, though, on "the official conspiracy theory" -- there are simply too many implausible events before and on 9/11, followed by too many official acts that sought to block any investigation, then more stonewalling that impeded the lightweight investigation that was allowed. For whatever reason, the Bush-Cheney administration didn't want and didn't allow an actual investigation. Draw your own conclusions.

They want you to think nineteen crazed Muslims with box-cutters wrought havoc on America. And then they want you to stop thinking.

Bobby Fong  unknownnews@inbox.com



Status quo

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 24, 2007
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Coming to a theater near you, The Boy Who Cried WMD: the sequel.

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The status quo is not just an obstacle to progress, it is a terminal condition.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Codetalkers

by SirJ

Oct. 24, 2007
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Re Peebs

No, unfortunately the fix didn't work. I can't see the favicon in the address line of the browser. I can see the coding line when I check the source of http://www.unknownnews.org/071027-sd.html. The line for linking to the icon is coded the same as http://www.poopreport.com/. The HTML code validation at http://validator.w3.org/ isn't happy with the way either page is coded!

To see the validator's error report for your dialogue page click here. For the poopeport.com click here.

BTW, what is the part of your code in the <HEAD> section which starts with <! 1-80% 2-Danger 3-Destroying 4-EBBV trying to do? If you want it to be ignored by browsers you should use <!-- at the beginning and --> at the end of what you want ignored. I don't think <! without the two dashes works, although my browser doesn't display your list. This might be messing things up with the validator. It claims you've already closed <HEAD> when it reaches your </HEAD>.

SirJ 

  Lordy, that's hilarious. It's been a long while since I've bothered trying to validate our coding, but 251 errors is a lot. These auto-validators are awfully persnickety, and I've never used this one before ... I'm fixing a few errors that I recognize and believe could cause consequences, and with a little luck I'll get the error count below 200 within a week. Lots of these errors are curly quotes and centered VALIGNs and NOBRs and images without ALTs ... and I know that all these things are no-nos, but errors or not they all work, at least in every browser I've seen.

The stuff you asked about -- 1-80% 2-Danger 3-Destroying, etc -- that's part of the script that picks random bumper stickers for the upper right corner of the page. It was written by a friend and I don't know diddly about scripting, so I never mess with it. Every validator has always reported the java as erroneous for lacking a type, but it works and always has.

Coding is a high-wire act for me, it's not at all graceful but I'm content so long as I don't fall and go splat. So I don't much worry about errors until they prevent a page from loading properly. Some of these corrections, if I start doing what the validator suggests I'm afraid I'll splatter the page. It's like trying to tie my shoes while I'm on that high-wire.

I did make a tweak on the favicon code -- I didn't understand what the closing slash was supposed to signify, so I deleted it. Any favicon now?

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2007 

Lip zipper pantomime
by Herb Ruhs, MD

It's not happening.
Just ask ExxonMobil.

by Chris M.

Herb on drought
by Cassandra

Could have been awry upstream
by Ricardo H.

  Peebs
by SirJ

While they keep
voting themselves raises

by Kathy Fisher

Bank error in bank's favor
by Sherri B.

Britney's world
by Margaret T.

Bush can always pardon him, like the other crooks
by JR Mooneyham

 

Lip zipper pantomime

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Oct. 23, 2007
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When I was promoted to my level of incompetence as a team leader in the International Voluntary Service in charge of Region III of the Vietnam back in '68, one of my duties was to collect and edit monthly reports from the volunteers in the field that I supervised. Even those whose native language was purportedly English would submit reports that were so unreadable, sometimes frankly illegibly written in water-stained longhand, that I would just throw them away and write totally fabricated ones on their behalf. This resulted in some awkward moments when the big chief, who religiously read and BELIEVED these reports, would strike up conversations with these hapless volunteers, on their infrequent visits to Saigon, in which he would refer glowingly to their outstanding achievements while I stood behind him doing the lip zipper pantomime.

Ah, the smell of war stories in the morning.

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The Super Rich are greatly misunderstood. They only want one thing -- everything.

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The ultimate "state secret" is the fact that we are no longer a constitutional democracy.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



It's not happening. Just ask ExxonMobil.

by Chris M.

Oct. 23, 2007
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Drought-stricken South facing tough choices
 
Excerpt: For the first time in more than 100 years, much of the Southeast has reached the most severe category of drought, climatologists said Monday, creating an emergency so serious that some cities are just months away from running out of water.

One thing this and other articles have failed to mention is that it has not been cold enough in the mountains of North Georgia, North and South Carolina for snow. The mountain snow melt was where a lot of their water came from.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Herb on drought

by Cassandra

Oct. 23, 2007
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Re Nose ringtones

Shows the true meaning of 'red states' ..but Florida is a bit off.

Cassandra  unknownnews@inbox.com



Could have been awry upstream

by Ricardo H.

Oct. 23, 2007
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Re More about Sitemeter

Perhaps I've stirred a tempest in a teapot. There are better things to worry about than computer glitches, to be sure, and I maintain that this is an isolated incident on my end alone until shown otherwise by others.

I certainly don't want nor intend to malign Sitemeter publicly intentionally. Odom reprinted Sitemeter's direct response, which looks to me to be very straightforward despite his rather feeble attempt at spin. I read thru Odom's blogs about Sitemeter and Google. It sheds no light on the matter at hand, and illustrates how rumors propagate from ill-informed or agendized attitudes and gossip. Some people like to hear their own voice.

I did quite a bit of housekeeping on my end just to be sure. I've simply kept Sitemeter enabled and specificclick disabled. I'm happy(er) to report that your page is loading fine today. In the final analysis, there is no real way of knowing what, if anything, was actually wrong. I emphasize: it was one page, one link, not your entire site that "inconvenienced" me. For all we know, this thing could have been awry upstream somewhere in the "series of tubes"...er, Internet. It could be something as innocuous and simple as your server doing its daily maintenance. Or my laptop having a bad hair day. I'm putting this all to bed as an inconvenience, no more no less.

Be well, o fearless one. Yours is a yeoperson's task, indeed. Congratulations.

Ricardo H. 

  Ah, I am triple tickled that you've beaten the problem. Thanks for letting me know. And I will leave my Google alert about Sitemeter intact, in case any of the Sitemeter accusations are true.

It amazes me when I stop and think about it (so I rarely stop and think about) how little I understand about how the internet works ...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Bush can always pardon him, like the other crooks

by JR Mooneyham

Oct. 23, 2007
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Nutritional and environmental interventions can help decrease child deaths worldwide

If America preferred keeping children happy and alive rather than miserable or dead, we'd pay more attention to stuff like this.

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Russia plans center to track Western rights abuses

This is good news, UNLESS it causes Bush to make a deal to stop it by agreeing to shut down America's own tracking of rights abuses overseas....

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IMF chief warns dollar may suffer 'abrupt fall'bqu Those shrill dollar warnings are coming from the establishment now.

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Re Gonzales may face criminal charges

Bush can always pardon him, like the other crooks. But there might be some fine print somewhere that will require a quick trial and conviction for Gonzales, so Bush will be able to pardon him as one of his final acts in office. If such a conviction dragged on beyond the Bush Admin, Gonzales might lose his shot at a pardon (though backroom political deals are always possible with the next admin, too). So Gonzales might even plead guilty to help things along (and get his pardon).

At least that's my present understanding of the process, handicapped as I am with my ever dwindling capacity to read up on things due to my worsening vision.

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com) 

  I do hope your vision and health fades no faster than mine. My health plan is to cross my fingers and hope there's no lag between the time I'm healthy enough to earn a living and the day I die.

As for Gonzales, you sound cynical, JR, but not cynical enough. Don't forget that any charges against Gonzales would probably be rigged to come before a Bush-appointed (read: criminal) judge, so a pardon or even a trial could easily be superfluous.

And as for those "shrill dollar warnings", of course, IMF Chief Rodrigo Rato and his ilk are all just fuckers anyway. Their warning are kind of like a dog whistle, or a fire alarm that only the wealthy can hear and heed. Average people will never hear the warning, and wouldn't have anywhere to shield their assets or any assets to shield anyway.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Peebs

by SirJ

Oct. 23, 2007
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Re Ad blockers, spam filters, a firewall, and virus protection

Your favicon.ico doesn't show up in Internet Explorer. It does in Firefox. This discusses some of the problems with making it appear. I looked at a couple of websites whose favicon.ico does appear in the web address line. Some have a line like this: <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico"/> appearing in their page HTML coding. Examples of pages where the icon appear in Internet Explorer using a link reference line:   LINK   LINK

PoopReport uses this line: <link rel="shortcut icon" href="http://www.poopreport.com/Images/favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon" /> Some websites don't have a visible means of linking to the favicon.ico, as far as I could tell. The icon appears anyway. Examples:   LINK   LINK

Have fun!

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Re Pumping toilet water

As long as I take ordinary sanitary precautions, I can't catch PBS, can I?

SirJ 

  From now on I'm going to be thinking of you every time the toilet overflows. But I mean that as a compliment.

On the favicon thing (that's the 'Unk' doohicky some lucky websurfers get to see in their browser's address window), I appreciate the pointers. The only reason we now have a favicon is because the whole process struck me as quick and easy and took about ten minutes, and stealing code from other sites is usually the easiest way to do anything with HTML, so this looks like a breeze. ...

... Man, that took about twenty seconds. Wish every fix came that quick 'n' easy. :) Can you see it now, atop this page?

Helen & Harry 

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While they keep voting themselves raises

by Kathy Fisher

Oct. 23, 2007
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From my cold empty pockets the money they keep saying they haven't got flows like wine into their retirement funds. Flows like sand into a slush fund for whatever whim they want to embark on. The money they say they don't/won't have to pay out to Social Security recipients flows like Niagara Falls into their endless wars.

I really don't care if they tell us it's not there for Social Security and Medicaid. I know one thing, they'd better be prepared to shoot dead a few billion dissatisfied, pissed off people. Not everyone will be willing to take this sitting down. Many will go postal. Do you know what I mean?

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'World's smallest radio' unveiled

Compared to W's brain it's HUGE!

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In Scott Ritter's latest expose "On the Eve of Destruction" he says pResident needs some explaining to do in regard to his statement on WWIII . "but never more so when a president invokes END DAYS as a solution."

We have to remember in a world where the masses are constantly being conditioned and desensitized by movies and TV shows like '24' 'Jericho' and Bruce Willis winning the day in the DIE HARD movies That's as far as If their seriousness goes.. Most of the Sheeple really do believe that story about tactical nukes and American Might makes Right. They have no idea and therefore lack the smarts to see the DEEP SHIT this guy has them in and that the ride he will take them on going to cost them more than a movie ticket.

On more thinking I have to say about Ritter, I respect the man immensely but I heard him write and speak about his high praise on the Israeli military in the same speech he refers to Sun Tsu's The ART OF WAR and not having to fire a single shot when referring to the idiot Bush and his lack of understanding the enemy. I'm sorry but I fail to understand the love and respect for that idea and at the same time (in his speech) he was praising and respecting Israel. Even if it was in the past.

Have I misunderstood him?

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Bank error in bank's favor

by Sherri B.

Oct. 23, 2007
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Are there ANY banks that you know of that are relatively safe? I had big trouble with BofA putting a hold on my account for no good reason. Then this morning my friend said she had a hold put on her account for making two deposits to BofA on the same day. I'm getting worried that in a minute there won't be anywhere to cash-or honor-a check.

Sherri B. 

  Hope you eventually won access to your money?

I have as little to do with banks as possible, and haven't had a bank account since I lived in California in the 1990s. First thing I'd do in your situation, after doing battle with the bank, is close my account. Virtually any small, local bank trumps any big, national bank every time. When your bank's executives live in your town and drive on your streets and oversee three branches instead of three thousand, it's a difference that matters. And anything a local bank might lack in ATMs or branches everywhere or anything else, they'll more than make up for by giving a damn and maybe not screwing you over.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Britney's world

by Margaret T.

Oct. 23, 2007
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Re Uncomfortably numb

Well met ....simply unquestioned atrocities and everyone sits and watches to see what Britney is doing next Well met ....simply unquestioned atrocities and everyone sits and watches to see what Britney is doing next.

Margaret T.  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Monday, Oct. 22, 2007 

Hillary Clinton's pussy
by Chris M.

We'll be here all week
by Cassandra

Edge bloggers
by JR Mooneyham

Putin at work making
a strike on Iran UNLIKELY

by Marie K.

Seventy in darkness
by Kathy Fisher

  Nose ringtones
by Herb Ruhs, MD

Pumping toilet water
by SirJ

More about Sitemeter
by Ricardo H.

Some dead guy's tunes
by Siskiyousis

Moyers & Scahill
by McLir

How can cops be so stupid?
by Lil

 

Hillary Clinton's pussy

by Chris M.

Oct. 22, 2007
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Re Ad blockers, spam filters, a firewall, and virus protection

I have had experience with CA on mainframe computers from way, way back. They are with out a doubt the "Used Yugo" salesman of the software business.

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Ouch! Hillary Clinton's softer image is clawed over dumped cat
 
Excerpt: Clinton's treatment of Socks cuts to the heart of the questions about her candidacy. Is she too cold and calculating to win the presidency? Or does it signify political invincibility by showing she is willing to deploy every weapon to get what she wants?

“In the annals of human evil, off-loading a pet is nowhere near the top of the list,” writes Caitlin Flanagan in the current issue of The Atlantic magazine. “But neither is it dead last, and it is especially galling when said pet has been deployed for years as an all-purpose character reference.”

To me this all has to do with "Stereotypes" and expectations. Women have nearly always been portrayed, rightly or wrongly, as the gentle, caring, warm and affectionate gender. Where as men have been portrayed as the hard, strong, calculating and cold gender. The reality is both genders are pretty much a mixed bag and ether can have some or all of these traits. If it was a man who "off loaded" the cat, this would not be a big deal. People would say "hey...he's a guy...what do you expect ?"

Now I'm not a fan of HRC by a long shot, but this is just a tad sexist IMHO. I do not find HRC any more or less cold and calculating than any other politico, mores the pity.

Chris M. 

  Sweet jeebers and sour cream. Every time I think they've taken nonsense journalism as low as they could take it, they take it lower. It's ridonculous. I daresay there's dang few people who regularly have pets who haven't given one away when a living situation changes. Or maybe this was intended as a joke?

Helen & Harry 

And besides, what does one's pets have to do with being president? LBJ was no sweet heat as far as his dog(s) were concerned, buy he was a far better president than Nixon. As you say, a non issue.

Chris M. 

  Republicans (who desperately want her to be the Democratic nominee) and the media (ditto) only blast Hillary Clinton for phony issues -- cleavage, general "bitchiness", a phony laugh, and now for giving away the family cat ... I mean, what's the next controversy -- maybe she doesn't shave her armpits?

The criticism that Senator Mrs Clinton so clearly and obviously deserves -- for her stand on issues, for who she is, for what she's done, etc. -- seems to come only from real people. The media would rather dwell on crap like this, but most real folks generally understand or intuit, I think, that the only standard by which she would be a good president is in comparison to George W Bush...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



We'll be here all week

by Cassandra

Oct. 22, 2007
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I don't usually forward jokes, but I thought you might like this one:

Al Gore, Bill and Hillary Clinton go to Heaven and God addresses Al first, ''Al, what do you believe in?''

Al replies: "Well, I believe that I won that election, but that it was Your will that I did not serve. And I've come to understand that now.''

God thinks for a second and says: "Very good. Come and sit at my left.''

God then addresses Bill. "Bill, what do you believe in?''

Bill replies: "I believe in forgiveness. I've sinned but I've never held a grudge against my fellow man, and I hope no grudges are held against me.''

God thinks for a second and says: "You are forgiven, my son. Come and sit at my right."

Then God addresses Hillary. "Hillary, what do you believe in?''

She replies: "I believe you're in my chair.''

Cassandra 

  And we don't usually print jokes, but dang if that one didn't make me smile purdy.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Edge bloggers

by JR Mooneyham

Oct. 22, 2007
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Bloggers living on the edge
 
Excerpt: For some blogs, risk-taking is routine; here's a round-up of some of the riskiest ...

Wow! Wasn't that the lamest, dullest list of 'living dangerously' blogs you ever saw? PCWorld  thinks those guys are taking RISKS!?! With what?!? Breaking a nail? Stubbing a toe?

It appears PCWorld  ***itself*** was afraid of taking the risk of listing truly bold blogs. Like Unknownnews.net.

I wonder what's next for PCWorld? Listing the 'sexiest' blogs out there? If the first list is any indication, "grandmashomecooking.com" will be one of the top ten sexiest blogs according to PCWorld. Sheesh!

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)