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Dialogue for Saturday, Jan. 26, 2008 

  Into Ashkelon
by The Canadian

Bush's "stimulus plan"
by Mr. Chuckles

Connecting the dots and finding bad cops
by Lon Garm

Rogue trader deals are business as usual
by Kathy Fisher

 
Relative suck ratios of capitalism, communism, anarchism
by Herb Ruhs, MD

What's that you say?
by Chris M.

Weary ritual
by Wig

John Galt's scrotum
by Grandpa

 

Into Ashkelon

by The Canadian

Jan. 26, 2008
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So the de facto multi-year siege of Gaza is over. The wall has come down (reminiscent of Berlin, eh)

Massing 500,000 people is a tall order to fill if Hamas is seriously willing to do this. Still, Ashkelon is a strategic Oil Storage Centre for Israel, so any threat of this magnitude must be causing Israelis some worry. Propaganda? I doubt it. I think they feel they have the upper hand at the moment and they are willing to sacrifice many to exploit it within the theater of world opinion.

Imagine the spectacle, if even 50-100,000 unarmed Palestinians marched to and through the Israeli border arm-in-arm singing their version of "We shall overcome"!

And the Israeli response……will determine the next course of Middle East history. And, history is always written by the winners.

The Canadian 

  Wouldn't take half a million people. Twenty thousand willing to stand their ground and risk death would be enough, heck, maybe just 10,000 ...

The people united can accomplish a lot...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Bush's "stimulus plan"

by Mr. Chuckles

Jan. 26, 2008
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Details of Bush's "stimulus plan" are hard to come by, but the key phrase is "at least $300". That is because a family of 4 (2 children) earning $150,000 a year will receive $2100 while a family of 4 earning $30,000 would receive at most $1200. And the poorest Americans, including seniors, disabled, long term out of work, etc. will receive nothing.

A key word is "rebate". Not sure what that means, but it appears to mean tax cut in advance for people who have jobs and pay Social Security taxes -- because taxes are "progressive", the bigger the earnings the bigger the rebate. So instead of skewing the rebate to the poorest people it actually skews -- in absolute terms -- to the wealthy.

I know there are people who don't feel that $150,000 a year for a married couple is "wealthy", but it seems unbelievable that these people actually /need/ another $1200 or $2100 all that much. What, that covers the energy bill for the jacuzzi, or one month of the Jaguar lease?

What about the needy?

Mr. Chuckles  unknownnews@inbox.com



Relative suck ratios of capitalism, communism, anarchism

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Jan. 26, 2008
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Re Coco banana magic stuff

Fraghdad says, "Just because everything sucked, that had the name "communism" painted on it in red letters..."

That is really only accurate if you apply it to all state ideologies and deny relative suck ratios. States, in general are a bad thing, no matter what the ruling ideology, but the entire range from least worse to worst worse has examples of not-so-bad-by-comparison state governments. In general though, it seems that if the state supports a mixed economy with enforced civil and human rights then it is on the better end of the suck scale.

Kerala's long-standing communist government is one such example. Sweden's democratic one is widely admired. Theocracy really has become a snake pit -- the last decent one that I know of was the Quaker rule of the early Pennsylvania Colony. Strange that the followers of that radical anarchist Jesus has spawned such authoritarian dreck.

Most interesting to me is the fact that Anarchist organized governments, committed as they are to direct democracy and abjuring hierarchical structures, have always been paradoxically functional in practical terms until smashed by either left or right forces. The early Soviets seem to have been influenced by a then vital anarchist movement current in Europe, and then had their ranks extirpated by totalitarian communism. The anarchists of northern Spain that were part of the Republic managed to field an effective army (Homage to Catalonia by Orwell). The anarchists of the Ukraine (The Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine) managed to defeat many modern armies until the Red Army came to slaughter them. The best parts of all the ideologies, including American Republican ideals, are congruent, if not copied from anarchist thought. Anarchists sometimes claim Socrates, and I can't imagine he would mind.

To my observation, people of good will can make a success out of any ideological bent, and those of ill will a mess out of any ideology they adopt. Ergo: my assertion that ideology is a largely meaningless affectation.

I was just listening to Dr. Michael Hudson on the Guns and Butter show of Aug 15, 2007. This eminent economist and historian makes the assertion that Economic History is no longer taught in Economics Departments. Graduates these days, he says, only know mathematical theories and may have never heard of Ricardo, and have little, if any understanding of dialectical materialism, or Adam Smith, for that matter.

But that's the way it is with slave cultures like ours. Keep the slaves ignorant to help ensure obedience and mix slaves of different origins so they have trouble communicating, making it difficult to organize resistance. Today's version has slaves indoctrinated into differing specialties of thought that are largely mutually exclusive and dependent on a specialized technical language.

Herb Ruhs, MD 

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Connecting the dots and finding bad cops

by Lon Garm

Jan. 26, 2008
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Just for grins I decided to run a Google News search for officer arrested OR sentenced OR indicted OR jailed (bearing in mind that the diligent researcher would repeat the search, substituting various synonyms such as "cop", "sheriff", "deputy", "agent", etc.). Only 30,000 hits came up for the most recent 30 day period, and of those, at most 30% involved officers being arrested etc. instead of doing the arresting.   ... MORE ...

Lon Garm  unknownnews@inbox.com



Rogue trader deals are business as usual

by Kathy Fisher

Jan. 26, 2008
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I did not like what I heard on GLOOMBERG News radio. I couldn't sleep so got up and turned it on. Two talking heads in the UK were talking about it. While one man was trying to tie it together with last Monday's meltdown the other was trying to sweep it under the run like it was a non-issue. It ended with the other chap saying ''We haven't heard the last of this"...

I will go to my grave convinced they are sending in their GOONSQUAD to play around with the market numbers, setting up fake deals paying people to make bogus trades. I'm sure Illegal activity has been going on 24/7. This will feed the pessimist's already paranoid freak out minds...

More crooks and thieves will abandon the USS Titanic Leaving the third class citizens to drown.

The R-U- Stimulated Yet show continues... Bush and PIGlosi talk of URGENCY, which turns out is another sick scam planned to con the people. SO URGENT that one finds out the BRIBE money won't be in the public's hands to be cashed until June and July.

Leaves me wondering about use of words? STIMULUS PACKAGE sounds like a tittle of an XXX rated movie.

Think about it!

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)  unknownnews@inbox.com



What's that you say?

by Chris M.

Jan. 26, 2008
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Banks 'may need an extra $143-billion'
 
Excerpt: They say the banks will need extra money if bond insurers, who insure the products at the center of the sub-prime crisis, lose their top credit ratings.

If their credit ratings are cut, it could make it harder for it them to pay out, leading to banks reporting bigger losses on sub-prime debt.

Fears about bond insurers helped spark off this week's stock market falls.

Oh that's easy... we'll just print some more up.

What's that you say ?? The money some have something to back it up?? To give it some REAL value?? Picky... picky... picky. You just don't understand modern global economics, I guess.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Weary ritual

by Wig

Jan. 26, 2008
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Bush "State of the Union" will offer few new ideas

Why not just have the speech sent over to the Congress and have it read into the Congressional Record (it was done that way before) and save Congress the weary ritual and save the country the embarrassment of seeing the buffoon?

Wig 

  Bush will have no new ideas? Ah, good to see Associated Press is still doing the hard investigative pieces ...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



John Galt's scrotum

by Grandpa

Jan. 26, 2008
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Who kidnapped John Galt, blindfolded him and flew him to Guantanamo, and who tortured John Galt until his brain melted into mush? Who held him incognito for years, kept him, awake for days on end, drove him out of his mind with rock'n'roll around the clock? Who attached the battery cables to John Galt's scrotum? Who poured the quarts of water into John Galt's lungs?

You and me, America. You and me and Dick Cheney.

Grandpa  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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  Bruce Almighty in Colorado
by Pavel C.

Lies endangered in England
by Wig

 
It begins in your heart
by Hazel Burke

Threatening
national suicide

by Chris M.

Coco banana magic stuff
by Fraghdad

 

Bruce Almighty in Colorado

by Pavel C.

Jan. 25, 2008
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Once again life imitating art! Specifically, I refer to the not-so-bad movie starring Jim Carrey, Bruce Almighty in which God decides to take a vacation and turns over his powers, temporarily, to Jim Carrey -- who uses his almighty powers in Moses-like fashion to part the waters in his tomato soup bowl and to increase the size of his girlfriend's gazongas :-) But he didn't actually believe he was God...

And thankfully, from the record, neither does newly appointed GOP Representative Douglas Bruce, recently installed to represent Colorado Springs in Congress. Bruce just seems to feel that he is a *Very* Important Person(!!!) and is completely justified in kicking peons after morning prayers!!! He has not only refused to apologize, even after being censured by Congress, but he wants the "kickee" to apologize to him!
 
Excerpt: "In 21 years, I don't think there has ever been an instance where I had to do something to stop somebody from behaving in such a coarse and disgusting way," Bruce said.

Asked by a reporter after his swearing in if Bruce planned to apologize to Manzano, Bruce said: "I think the Rocky Mountain News photographer ought to apologize to the House and to me and to all the people whom he disrupted. He needs to get a lesson in manners and decorum."

House rules allow the media full access to the floor where the incident occurred. No restrictions are placed on photographers during prayers or any other activities.

Yep! Read it for yourself here at Stupid Evil Bastard website!

If you don't accept that as an unbiased report, here is the news from his home state, and his Wikipedia entry. This guy is a real Prince, esp. if Wikipedia is correct. And I would definitely like to find out what the odds are at Vegas on him actually getting elected by the religious voters of Colorado Springs. Not to hammer the guy too hard, I mean, who hasn't lost his or her temper and kicked someone working in the news industry immediately after morning prayers? It isn't as if they really report news anymore, they're just bitches, right?

Pavel C.  unknownnews@inbox.com



It begins in your heart

by Hazel Burke

Jan. 25, 2008
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It is all OK, whether you live for an eon or a day, because it is always just one day -- each day. And when you find or re-find your True Heart, when you remember your true desires again, you will also find true allies, of good and true heart to join you. That is the way to win... everything: It begins in your Heart.   ... MORE ...

Hazel Burke  unknownnews@inbox.com



Threatening national suicide

by Chris M.

Jan. 25, 2008
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This is the very thing the powers that be are afraid of, to their bones. This is why they will go to any lengths to prop it up. Even threatening national suicide. Not an attack on out country per se, but an attack on our financial and business sectors.   ... MORE ...

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Lies endangered in England

by Wig

Jan. 25, 2008
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UK Ministers are ordered to release WMD draft dossier
 
Excerpt: The 2002 draft was prepared by the-then Foreign Office press secretary John Williams. The tribunal rejected the Government's assertion that releasing it would not be in the public interest. There have been suggestions -- denied by Mr Williams -- that the draft might contain the first mention of the claim that Saddam Hussein could launch a WMD strike within 45 minutes.

"...not in the public interest..."?

Can't wait for Bush's take on "The State of The Union" come Monday. Will it be "in the public interest" to tell the truth?

Wig 

  I tend to believe that telling the truth is always in the public interest. I suppose there are exceptions, but George Bush sees an exception to telling the truth every time he opens his mouth. The speech will be full of lies, of course. It's a Bush-Cheney tradition.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Coco banana magic stuff

by Fraghdad

Jan. 25, 2008
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Re Evil moreso

There is no "Marxist/Communist system". Marxism isn't a system at all. The Capital 1-3 by Marx was essentially a response to Adam Smiths "Political Economy", that's also why the Capital had the subtitle "A critique of political economy" (duh)

Just because everything sucked, that had the name "communism" painted on it in red letters, doesn't mean that Marx lacks valid points. His writings still are a must-read to any serious sociologist or philosophist. At least his works are scientific, while capitalism (or "the economy") is some coco banana magic stuff.

Fraghdad 

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by Chris M.

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by Jim Kirwan

Archfoe
by Robert G.

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by smsc

It's happened already
by Kathy Fisher

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by Wig

A long ways up
by The Canadian

Nice try, sheik boy
by Mark E.

Signpost up ahead
by Herb Ruhs, MD

Cash and carry
by Zebra

 

Rejoinder

by Chris M.

Jan. 24, 2008
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Re Teacher-student joke

Ah... but my karma ran over your dogmas.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Incapable

by Jim Kirwan

Jan. 24, 2008
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Limbaugh: McCain or Huckabee nomination would "destroy the Republican Party"

Both so-called political "parties" need to be formally disbanded -- forever.

This nation needs to be returned to its own people, and to the sense that comes from individuals that will question and decide their own futures. NO PARTY with it's hidden payrolls of professional concern should ever again be allowed to create the political-troughs, of hundreds of billions, which the swine will use to feed upon us all.

We have passed from a nation of laws to a haven for Outlaws operating from Rogue States that recognize nothing but brute force, torture and murder, as their personal code of conduct. When men place themselves above all the laws, both national and international -- then it is the duty of everyone affected to rise in opposition to this illegal occupation of our entire way of life! But here again people must recognize what has happened to them -- and to date no such recognition seems to exist among the population of this self-fascinated society. * VIDEO

Since the public here is therefore not capable of thinking for itself, it is obvious that this "need" could not actually take place without a near-total-revolution.

Jim Kirwan  (Kirwan Studios)  unknownnews@inbox.com



It's happened already

by Kathy Fisher

Jan. 24, 2008
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Everyone knows Social Security isn't enough so the food store and junk stores get them to work for less, that way they can supplement their income... but not go over and wind up owing at the end of the year. The stores get cheap American workers. Whopee!

And now that no baby boomers can retire thanks to this new mess they won't have to worry about touching Social Security which of course is all gone anyway because the bastards looted that too! Perfect timing, this here crash!

My neighbor who drives a school bus for 29 years was told that the company that holds their pensions is in big trouble and that they would be getting far less then they thought... You see, it's happened already... Nothing is ever as SECURE as you think!!!

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)  unknownnews@inbox.com



It's in the details

by Wig

Jan. 24, 2008
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Iraqi sovereignty remains a farce
 
Excerpt: High-profile media events have been held to mark the transfer of responsibility for security in various provinces from the US to the Iraqis. But in every case the Americans or the British remain as a back-up to provide air support, logistical assistance and, on occasion, their own troops. It is exactly the same system as "Vietnamization" during the Vietnam war. Local forces take an increasing share of front-line combat as well as static guard duty and manning check-points, but the foreigners remain in ultimate charge. Their military superiority continues to give the Americans political control at almost every level of the Iraqi government.

It's in the "details".

Wig  unknownnews@inbox.com



A long ways up

by The Canadian

Jan. 24, 2008
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Re Oh Canada
"a beautiful sacrifice on the alter of greed"?
Only lately, before that our Prime Ministers actually had balls. Remember Trudeau's visit to Cuba after the US embargo? Remember Chretien's refusal to go to Iraq?

Our current PM (Stephan Harper), however, has his head so far up your President's ass he can look out Bush's eyes!

Oh well, at least we have real alternatives to vote for next election.

Personally, I voted Green Party last time.

The Canadian  unknownnews@inbox.com



Nice try, sheik boy

by Mark E.

Jan. 24, 2008
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Arab League offers Israel peace
 
Excerpt: A senior Saudi royal has offered Israel a vision of broad cooperation with the Arab world and people-to-people contacts if it signs a peace treaty and withdraws from all occupied Arab territories. ...

"The Arab world, by the Arab peace initiative, has crossed the Rubicon from hostility towards Israel to peace with Israel and has extended the hand of peace to Israel, and we await the Israelis picking up our hand and joining us in what inevitably will be beneficial for Israel and for the Arab world."

Nice try, sheik boy, but Israel wants Arab territories a lot more than it wants Arab cooperation.

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U.S. war costs in Iraq skyrocket
 
Excerpt: War funding, which averaged about $93 billion a year from 2003 through 2005, rose to $120 billion in 2006 and $171 billion in 2007 and President George W. Bush has asked for $193 billion in 2008, the nonpartisan office wrote.

"It keeps going up, up and away," Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad said of the money spent in Iraq since U.S. troops invaded in 2003.

But it's all "off budget", so it doesn't show up in the deficit, it's not at all like spending real money, so it doesn't matter at all... or so the morons of this administration seem to believe.

Mark E.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Signpost up ahead

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Jan. 24, 2008
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The world has come to resemble the plight of a family held hostage by a hallucinating relative who threatens to kill himself and everyone else unless the voices in his head stop.

*           *           *
What exactly did we expect from government organized and directed by ruthless, mass murdering thugs driven mad by insane greed fed by international financial structures that are designed to relentlessly concentrate wealth in ever fewer hands.

*           *           *
Tolerance for all but the intolerant.

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OK, who now does not believe the wrong people are in charge of the country?

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Cash and carry

by Zebra

Jan. 24, 2008
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Re CompUSA refuses cash

This story feels incomplete. There is too much left out. Like the part where the customer complained bitterly and somehow they obtained his phone number to call him back.

I don't think people should let this story dissuade them from paying cash for their purchases. The reason to pay cash isn't just fear of identity theft -- a real concern. Nor is it merely the thought that every purchase made with plastic or via check will be recorded permanently (literally -- every payment goes to the government spooks for permanent storage.)

I am totally convinced that a high percentage of Americans impulse shop with credit cards and buy crap they don't really, really need. It is better to be humiliated in Idaho paying cash than to squander tens of thousands of dollars buying useless crap, eh?

The best reason to pay cash is psychological. If I were in the habit of wandering around stores with my credit card in its holster I would probably buy tons of stuff I don't /really/ need. My policy is to buy what I need but only if I am so persuaded of my need that I am willing to make a trip to the bank first. There is a big difference in psychology there between just buying something I see and planning a purchase carefully.

For a while I have really wanted a down jacket. But not enough to go to the bank and withdraw $200 or whatever it would cost to make the buy. Right now I am wearing a t-shirt, a turtleneck, and two sweaters. And I am comfortable enough. Maybe I'll buy a down jacket in the Spring, after they go on sale. Or maybe not.

Zebra  unknownnews@inbox.com

P.S. The Apple Store accepts cash for iMacs :-) In California *many* shopping clerks have actually seen a handful of real hundred bills in one person's hands :0-) It don't buy as much as it used to either!



Archfoe

by Robert G.

Jan. 24, 2008
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So I'm reading this article you linked to, about the mentally unstable ex-US-Ambassador John Bolton's latest delusional rants concerning his endless quest for war, war, and more war. And I'm wondering, Is there any tiny subsection of a sliver of truth to anything in the Bush-Cheney-Bolton mindset? I mean, just dissecting the article's first sentence, "Former US ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said on Monday that Israel may have to take military action to prevent its archfoe Iran from acquiring an atomic bomb", I haven't seen any credible evidence that Iran is seeking to acquire an atomic bomb, and if they wanted one I can't think of any justifiable argument that Iran should be prevented from having nuclear weapons while Israel has a stockpile pointed their way.

But my wondering goes past that, to the ground-setting claim of that first sentence that Iran is Israel's "archfoe." I guess I'd direct this question to The Canadian, who seems to know a lot about foreign affairs and sh*t, or to anyone else who can answer it with some common sense: Is there some real-world sense in which Iran is Israel's "archfoe"? The nutty President of Iran has said -- once, in my recollection, or in "repeated statements" according to the article -- that Israel should be wiped off the map, but I remember subsequent accounts reporting that this was a mistranslation.

But is there anything more to this "archfoe" 007 nonsense than that? What exactly makes Iran an "archfoe" of Israel? There are two nations between them, so there can't be any border skirmishes, so what has Iran done to earn its "archfoe" status? Do Iranian spies make mayhem in Israel? Is there any truth to the Bush claims that Iran "sponsors state terrorism" targeting Israel? I trust American mass media less and less, so I don't know the honest answers to such questions, but nobody outside of comic books seriously uses terms like "archfoe" ...

Robert G. 

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Evil moreso

by smsc

Jan. 24, 2008
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Re My Marxist friends always make sense!

Try reading "The Black Book of Communism", "The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine", "Education of a True Believer" and "Democide"

The 60 million killed in the USSR and the 100 million killed by Mao in China are the natural consequence of the Marxist/Communist system established by Vladimir Lenin.

The Imperialism that Communism sought to defeat was evil, yet Communism was moreso.

smsc 

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Deep crap
by Joe T.

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Cappies and Commies
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It seems inevitable
by Herb Ruhs, MD

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by seeker135

 

Deep crap

by Joe T.

Jan. 23, 2008
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This economy would truly be in deep crap along about now. We retirees are the best of the economy. We take nothing out in the form of jobs, while putting 100's of millions into it with our everyday spending.

Welfare is another good way to keep the economy humming. It takes nothing from local economies and puts millions into it. Welfare creates jobs in the form of support services.

The same can be said of a 100% Free Government supported National Healthcare system. The economy would boom from it.

Handing out checks to people who already have money is no way to prop up this economy. It has to be propped up from the bottom up. These are the people who need the new cars and TV's.

Joe T.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Mismanaged and lackadaisical

by JR Mooneyham

Jan. 23, 2008
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Food poisoning can be long-term problem

Yikes! Now it appears being poisoned only ONCE can have a long term health impact as bad as smoking for decades!

This would seem to put a new emphasis on America's mismanaged and lackadaisical FDA, wouldn't it?

JR Mooneyham  (jrmooneyham.com)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Cappies and Commies

by Sfultong

Jan. 23, 2008
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Re My Marxist friends always make sense!

My opinion is that any government would work on a small scale. Marxist anarchy could be quite idyllic, in a commune-type form. I think the problem of Communism, as with Capitalism, is consolidation of power. I think that's easier to avoid in Capitalism, though.

Sfultong  unknownnews@inbox.com



It seems inevitable

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Jan. 23, 2008
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The following quote from the article Will Economic Stimulus Measures Stave Off Recession?, by Richard C. Cook, is not from some wild eyed, sleep deprived blogger. Cook is "a retired U.S. federal government analyst, whose career included service with the U.S. Civil Service Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the Carter White House, and NASA, followed by twenty-one years with the U.S. Treasury Department."
 
Excerpt: "So suppose everyone just stopped paying those debts that are owed to financial institutions which have created them “out of thin air” through fractional reserve banking?

The first thing that would happen would be a massive infusion of debt-free money into the economy. This is because a debt repaid is credit cancelled off a bank’s books. If that money is not repaid, it continues to circulate. It helps producers produce and consumers consume. Actually the worst thing a person can do economically to his neighbor is pay his bank-generated debts, because that money then is no longer available to fuel the economy."

Such a wholesale systemic declaration of bankruptcy at the grassroots level would actually be a patriotic act if people quit paying their loans for the reasons and under the conditions specified above [in the full article]."

Along with a debt holiday, I would add a rent and mortgage holiday as well.

When Caesar was appointed Dictator by a government mired in similar problems that arose, as ours have, from speculative excess, one of his first emergency measures was to invoke a rent holiday for Rome. Next thing you know the landlords assassinated him.

The inconceivability of effective measures being instituted by our political leaders, marinated as they virtually all are in speculative pseudo-wealth, is the same situation Republican Rome faced at the time of Caesar. It seems inevitable that our Republic will fail in the same fashion, only much, much more rapidly and extravagantly.

Take home lesson: turning the running of a nation over to speculators never works in the long run.

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Hopefully a chuckle to ease your day

Teacher: "Johnny, you didn't turn in your homework on evolution."

Student: "Sorry Miss Green, my dogmas hate my homework."

Herb Ruhs, MD 

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Tea party

by Kathy Fisher

Jan. 23, 2008
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The bell rang but no-one heard it. Started out dead and by this afternoon it will be buried. The feds and the economists are in denial. The media that once used to question people telling lies have lost their tongues.

They think no one will get hurt if the elevator goes down the shaft a little slower, Once people get down to the bottom they'll still lie and tell the people to catch all the bargain basement sales.

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I just heard one of the shills say that our new Fed chairman is a very creative person... After I got back on my chair I said "Yeah he's creative alright, just like the woman giving a tea party for 30 people with only 6 tea bags, her way to solve the problem is to add more water."

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Conditioned, complacent and apathetic

by 3n7r0py

Jan. 23, 2008
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Excellent article. Bush has all the legislation he needs to become Supreme Chancellor for life. And, if there were to be another false-flag "terrorist" attack - America would once again fall asleep and follow the President because most people don't want to even believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by our own government and the Mossad. I see another false-flag attack and Bush blaming it on Iran and/or "homegrown terrorists" (see: 9/11 Truth Movement, Tax Honesty Movement, Friends of the Article V Convention, Lone Lantern Society, We Are Change), etc. And millions of Americans will gladly see innocent, Patriotic dissidents be thrown in jail and/or tortured.

It happened in Nazi Germany - and our populace is WAY MORE conditioned, complacent and apathetic than our German counterparts. Yup, we're fucked. :(

3n7r0py  unknownnews@inbox.com



Gazans

by Wig

Jan. 23, 2008
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What Bush left behind For anyone who might believe that Bush’s visit would improve the lives of Palestinians in general and of Gazans in particular, let me assure you that the opposite has occurred. Electricity cuts still plague Gaza. Ambulance sirens wail one after the other quiet frequently; the smell of death is everywhere. Gazans have no life anymore, and Bush and Israel are to thank. Bush the peacemaker …

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NATO reiterates that first-strike nuclear attacks are always an option

Armageddon anyone?

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Partisan haggling delays ratification of Iraqi budget

Tax cuts-Tax cuts-Tax cuts. Bush's answer to budgetary problems will bring the Iraqis to reconciliation ala the U.S. and all will be right with the world. Wonder if we could get Bush/Cheney to resign here and go to Iraq and show them how it's done.

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In all fairness

by Eileen

Jan. 23, 2008
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Please consider editing, "Their blood is on the hands of those who lied, those who spread the lies, and those who voted for the liars." In all fairness, many of those who voted for the liars were duped.

Thanks for your time. Keep up the good work.

Eileen  unknownnews@inbox.com



Coherent conspiracies

by lowrads

Jan. 23, 2008
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Re The US is being scuttled

When a currency system, or other system of power exchange, has been stripped of most of its extractable leverage, then it's a good time to break it. Subsequently, it can be replaced with a fresh, but mostly identical system, and the process of sifting social influence can begin again.

Then again, I don't accept the possibility of coherent conspiracies. People just don't live long enough to engage rationally in big schemes. It's adequate merely to count on consistent, short sighted self-interest to bring about that which is both familiar yet inane.

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Makes sense

by seeker135

Jan. 23, 2008
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All true. Especially the part about "Democrats" Pelosi, Reid, et al. being Bushies. There is no other explanation.

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  And America pays the bill
by Rebecca

Using Dunkin Donuts as an office
by Kathy Fisher

 
Oh Canada
by Herb Ruhs, MD

A long line
by Pit of Doom

Ameriquestion
by Diesel

One-party system
by Penis Cheney

A picture says a thousand words
by Wig

America's going out of business sale
by MyaloMark

 

And America pays the bill

by Rebecca

Jan. 22, 2008
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Israel blockades Gaza
 
Excerpt: The UN believes Gaza's 1.5m inhabitants face serious hardship and one of its officials said unheated hospitals were having to rely on generators for operations.

Mahmoud Abbas, the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority president who lost control of Gaza to Hamas last year, called on Israel to "end its blockade of Gaza immediately and allow the entry of fuel to facilitate the lives of the innocent".

America perpetually sides with Israel, no matter how inhumane Israel's policies and acts. And America pays the bill, in dollars and lives ...

Rebecca  unknownnews@inbox.com



Using Dunkin Donuts as an office

by Kathy Fisher

Jan. 22, 2008
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There really is a full moon out tonight!

We went to DDs to get a coffee and there's a man in there refinancing his house. The woman doing the paperwork (taking up two tables) was using DDs as an office. The guy is piss drunk talking loud, I could hear the whole deal going down, and he actually asked the manager to turn the music down.

The world is truly mad! I actually thought it might have been a gag for a TV show, but no, it was for real!

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Oh Canada

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Jan. 22, 2008
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Re The truth hurts

A bumper sticker for the Canadian:

Canada: a beautiful sacrifice on the altar of greed.

Herb Ruhs, MD 

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A long line

by Pit of Doom

Jan. 22, 2008
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Re On the comfort of blaming the victims

Just another in a long line of corruption disasters "we the people" have been forced to endure, thanks to Caesar's court jesters....

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Ameriquestion

by Diesel

Jan. 22, 2008
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Re Going down

The powers that be went after Ameriquest and won a huge settlement for the people that had been ripped off by them by the same practices that the rest of the mortgage companies and banks use and are using still, so could someone tell me why the same is not done to the other company's that was done to Ameriquest?

Here is the link for the Ameriquest settlement web site

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A picture says a thousand words

by Wig

Jan. 22, 2008
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Barak allows diesel fuel, medical equipment into Gaza Strip
 
Excerpt: "As far as I'm concerned, the residents of Gaza can walk, and they will not get gasoline because they have a murderous, terrorist regime that does not allow the residents of southern Israel to live in peace," the prime minister said at a Kadima faction meeting."

Seem to remember the Nazis used to employ the tactic of punishing the whole for the deeds of a faction. And all they accomplished was more hatred. why isn't history learned? But then Barack is a member of a faction.

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Israel "uber alles"?

Obama's mixed record on Iran
 
Excerpt: Iran is the primary foreign policy challenge not just for Israel, but for the United States. The presidential candidates need to be measured first and foremost by the seriousness and coherence of their prescriptions on this issue.

Of course, I guess, a U.S. policy of adhering to what is in the best interests of the U.S. regardless of Israeli desires is utterly ridiculous.

Wig  unknownnews@inbox.com



America's going out of business sale

by MyaloMark

Jan. 22, 2008
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Re The US is being scuttled

I've been attempting to tell people this very fact for a while now. I usually get the same response as the author. I'm sure the average Russian would have responded the same way in, say, 1989, when informed that the Soviet Union was being plundered by banking and political pirates.

What we're witnessing is nothing less that America's going out of business sale. Come get it before it's all sold out!

MyaloMark  unknownnews@inbox.com



One-party system

by Penis Cheney

Jan. 22, 2008
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Re I'm afraid of writing this

The powers that be wouldn't risk something like this because all the war-mongering democrats work for them too.

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No system of laws
by Madeline Zane

The truth hurts
by The Canadian

Quick question
by Herb Ruhs, MD

  Turn over our civil liberties
by JR Mooneyham

All he had ever done was teach
by Chris M.

No-one forces you to buy junk
by Kathy Fisher

Got it at the Dollar Store
by Wig

 
 

No system of laws

by Madeline Zane

Jan. 21, 2008
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Justice Dept. says Blackwater prosecution is unlikely
 
Excerpt: Justice Department officials have told Congress that they face serious legal difficulties in pursuing criminal prosecutions of Blackwater security guards involved in a September shooting that left at least 17 Iraqis dead.

According to Congressional aides who received the closed briefing, Justice officials told them they were concerned about both the gaps in the law and the immunity deal.

Those officials said in the briefing that federal law that applied to civilians employed by or accompanying the American military overseas might not apply to contractors in Iraq working for the State Department.

To read this, you would think that the Justice Department has just now figured out that contractor-mercenaries in Iraq are subject to no system of laws. As if people haven't been pointing it out to them for the past six years. As if that lawlessness and lack of accountability weren't exactly the point of hiring mercenaries in the first place.

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The truth hurts

by The Canadian

Jan. 21, 2008
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New bumper sticker idea for Dr Herb Ruhs...

America, a beautiful lie.

The Canadian 

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Quick question

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Jan. 21, 2008
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It is time to ask yourself, "Am I more loyal to my country or to my government?"

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Turn over our civil liberties

by JR Mooneyham

Jan. 21, 2008
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Re CIA says, fear the hackers

I believe it's just more of the drumbeat for generating fear. Basically steadily bombarding us with 'proof' that we better turn over all our civil liberties to the government, for that's the only way they can protect us -- much the same message Stalin, Hitler, and countless smaller dictators or potential dictators have always given the masses...

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No-one forces you to buy junk

by Kathy Fisher

Jan. 21, 2008
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Be a citizen first and then a cautious consumer second. You empower yourself when you hold on to your money and think before you spend. Bottom line? You! You send a message to the CHEAP LABOR CROWD when you refuse to buy unsafe products, and be a part of the corruption you say you're so opposed to.   ... MORE ...

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All he had ever done was teach