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Dialogue for Saturday, Apr. 19, 2008 

Baby steps by SirJ       Righteous by The Canadian
Democrats must be cautious by JR Mooneyham
Solve the royalty problem by Herb Ruhs, MD       An abomination by Chris M.
Who gets "removed" then? by Sherri B.       It was Churchill who said by Wig

 

Baby steps

by SirJ

Apr. 19, 2008
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Canada to ban polycarbonate baby bottles
 
Excerpt: Canada intends to become the first country to ban the import and sale of some types of plastic baby bottles because they contain a chemical that the government says could harm infants and toddlers.

One small step for man. One giant step for babykind.

SirJ 

  I don't even like babies but this seems like a good idea ...

Helen & Harry 

What's not to like about babies? They barf, cry at the top of their lungs, stink up the place with poopie smells, and grow up to be politicians and crooks. Other than those few flaws, they are darling.

SirJ 

  We have a cat, no kids. And some day soon, we hope to have another cat.

Helen & Harry 

Ann in the UK replies, JS Magruder replies
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Righteous

by The Canadian

Apr. 19, 2008
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Re Less is more, and tarnished is better

Have you ever read EF Schumacher's book, "Small is Beautiful"? If not, I think you would like it.

"War does not determine who is right, only who is left"

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Re How to destroy a great nation's economy

Hello JR

As a Banker (commercial not capital/investment) I have read your material with interest.

What can I say? You are right.

The Canadian  unknownnews@inbox.com



Democrats must be cautious

by JR Mooneyham

Apr. 19, 2008
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If impeachment were feasible, I think the Democrats would have done it. Their razor-thin Congressional majority though -- diluted still further by Lieberman and a few others -- plus the Republican-dominated Supreme Court, and the Republican-owned mainstream media, would simply make a real impeachment effort on the part of Democrats worse than futile: it would likely help the mainstream media to hand the next election over to the Republicans in a landslide.  ... Click for more ... 

JR Mooneyham  (www.jrmooneyham.com/)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Solve the royalty problem

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Apr. 19, 2008
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"Peace is anti-capitalist."       --Sub-Commander Marcos

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If the players wanted to resolve the problem of rewarding copyright royalties, any number of solutions could be found. The actual problem is that the active players all see opportunities to take advantage of a market that remains insufficiently regulated.

Adam Smith's ideal was a "well regulated market." This instability of regulatory climate has been created by the disarming of both end users/viewers/listeners/readers and original producers by the technology of recording. As an example we could recompense producers of various media by paying them out of taxes placed on the physical production of the recordings and redistribute that money to the creators directly. This would be a kind of value added tax.

The internet would be much easier to tax than any other medium as comprehensive records exist of file transfers, whereas bootleg trade will always exist with tangible media. The fact is that our lives are now in the hands of fascists, and any just system of distribution of wealth is seen as a foolish loss of control of possible coerced profits. This situation will have to be dealt with before any innovative and just solutions of any of our biggest problems. The relative power of mass producer and end user needs to be re-balanced.

Herb Ruhs, MD 

  Sounds as good as anything I've heard proposed, probably better, but I have to confess that, at least when it comes to music, and to a large degree movies and TV as well, I barely care. I'll take the un-signed bands on a college radio station, or the little movies made by six people spending their savings, over anything from Paramount Pictures or EMI or whatever.

By all means, I want pop music performers and sit-com writers and actors to be well-paid, like middle-management should be well-paid, because that's pretty much what they are. Every decision behind every line in every song in corporate-released music and every script for any mainstream movie has more in common with margarine or canned tuna or other commercial products than with art...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



An abomination

by Chris M.

Apr. 19, 2008
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Cleric Sadr key player in helping poor Iraqis-report
 
Excerpt: "Through a Hezbollah-like scheme, the Shi'ite Sadrist movement has established itself as the main service provider in the country," said the report.

"This sustainable program provides shelter, food and non-food items to hundreds of thousands of Shi'ites in Iraq."

Refugees International said it visited many locations inhabited by displaced families throughout Baghdad.

It said that as part of the Sadrist's assistance programs, the Mehdi Army "resettles" displaced Iraqis free of charge in homes that belong to Sunni Arabs. The militia also provided stipends, food and heating and cooking oil.

"Similarly, other Shi'ite and Sunni groups are gaining ground and support through the delivery of food, oil, electricity, clothes and money to the civilians living in their fiefdoms," said the report.

"Not only do these militias now have a quasi-monopoly in the large-scale provision of assistance in Iraq, they are also recruiting an increasing number of civilians to their militias -- including displaced Iraqis."

What a great idea. To actually help the people rather than just killing and maiming them. Why didn't we think of it? Oh well, we can't do the same things the "terrorist" organization Hezbollah does, now can we.

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Trashy WTC security
 
Excerpt: It's a good thing Osama wasn't walking through SoHo yesterday morning.

Two sets of confidential blueprints for the planned Freedom Tower, which is set to rise at Ground Zero, were carelessly dumped in a city garbage can on the corner of West Houston and Sullivan streets, The Post has learned.

Experts said the detailed, floor-by-floor schematics contain enough detail for terrorists to plot a devastating attack.

Which is precisely where they belong, I might add. Along with the clown who came up with the idea in the first place.

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An open letter to Charlie Gibson and George Stephanapoulos
 
Excerpt: Here's a question for you, George. Is it true that yesterday you appeared on the radio with conservative talk radio host Sean Hannity, and that you said you were "taking notes" when he urged you to ask a question about Obama's supposed ties to a former member of the Weather Underground -- which in fact you did. With all the fabulous resources of ABC News at your disposal, is that an appropriate way for a supposed journalist to come up with debate questions, by pandering to divisive radio shows?

And Charlie...could you be any more out of touch with your viewers? Most people aren't millionaires like you, and if Pennsylvanians are losing sleep over economic matters, it is not over whether the capital gains tax will go back up again. I was a little shocked when you pressed and pressed on that back-burner issue and left almost no time for high gas prices, but then I learned tonight that you did the same thing in the last debate, that you fretted over that middle-class family that made $200,000 a year. Charlie, the nicest way that I can put this is that you need to get out more.

But I'm not ready to make nice. What I just watched was an outrage. As a journalist, you appeared to confirm all of the worst qualities that cause people to hold our profession in such low esteem, especially your obsession with cornering the candidates with lame "trick" questions and your complete lack of interest or concern about substance - or about the American people, or the state of our nation. You embarrassed some good people who work at ABC News - for example, the journalists who worked hard to break this story just last week - and you embarrassed yourselves. The millions of people who watched the debate were embarrassed, too -- at the state of our political discourse, and what it has finally become, at long last.

All I have to say is damn well said. The whole thing was an abomination at least and an attempted smear job even lower than FOX or Rush.

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Minnesota's immigrants on the rise, but racial inequality still palpable
 
Excerpt: Erika Lee, an associate professor of History and Asian American Studies at the Twin Cities campus, said that the surge in the immigrant population in Minnesota and the United States in general had triggered widespread opposition from a country that takes pride in being a nation of immigrants.

“When Americans refer to themselves as a nation of immigrants, they mean only those immigrants of the early 20th century who came predominantly from Europe,” Lee said. “Today’s immigrants are not always included in the popular and legal understanding of what it means to be an American.”

Lee said the Department of Homeland Security’s increased use of local police and sheriff’s departments in enforcing immigration laws posed a new challenge to foreign-born people in the country.

She brings up a very good point there. That most people will say "their forefathers were immigrants" but who they are referring to are those of English, German, Scandinavian or other European descent. In other words the white Anglo Saxon Protestants. However these people are rapidly becoming a minority.

I watched the end of a program on PBS the other day where it was comparing Sweden's approach to an economic problem to that of this country. I have seen many such programs and the one thing that seems to be missing or never brought up is the vast difference in demographics. It is much easier to find a common solution that is agreed upon in a country where nearly everyone has the exactly the same background, religion (Sweden is nearly all Lutheran) and social norms than it is in a country such as ours where we have such a vast mix of people of vastly different backgrounds, religions, social norms, history and cultures.

What might seem logical and practical and self-evident to someone of German heritage might not to someone of Hispanic origins. In fact they may even be repulsed by the idea. And to force it on them would only foster resentment.

There are still areas of this country where the residents are (and have been for many generations) of the same race, backgrounds and beliefs. What is important to one group may not be important to another and visa versa.

It will take a very long time for these people to "assimilate" (for lack of a better word) into one culture. Until that happens trying to get a consensus on any issue will be nearly as uncomfortable as root canal work.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Who gets "removed" then?

by Sherri B.

Apr. 19, 2008
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Re No prob

Well removing all the illegal aliens is a lovely answer to the plight in LA. But what about the Wisconsin, Wyoming, Idaho, Nebraska, Iowa, Colorado and so forth?(I.e. places with huge layoffs and starving people but not enough illegal aliens to even enter into the equation.)

Who gets "removed" then?

Sherri B.  unknownnews@inbox.com



It was Churchill who said

by Wig

Apr. 19, 2008
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Defense study concludes that Iraq is "a major debacle" and the outcome is "in doubt"
 
Excerpt: "Measured in blood and treasure, the war in Iraq has achieved the status of a major war and a major debacle," says the report's opening line. ...

The report said that the United States has suffered serious political costs, with its standing in the world seriously diminished. Moreover, operations in Iraq have diverted "manpower, materiel and the attention of decision-makers" from "all other efforts in the war on terror" and severely strained the U.S. armed forces.

"Compounding all of these problems, our efforts there (in Iraq) were designed to enhance U.S. national security, but they have become, at least temporarily, an incubator for terrorism and have emboldened Iran to expand its influence throughout the Middle East," the report continued.

It was Churchill who said, " ... Always remember, however sure you are that you can easily win, that there would not be a war if the other man did not think that he also had a chance."

Wig 

  Is it unAmerican for me to laugh out loud?

Helen & Harry 

Hard to say in today's political environment.

Wig  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Dialogue for Friday, Apr. 18, 2008 

Limbo debate: How low can these candidates go? by Penny Nichols
Truth from Tehran, lies from Washington by Angry Annie
For the doctor by The Canadian       Darwin by Wig
America has just out-evilled Evil itself by Chris D.
The unambiguous treason of George W. Bush by Dionne N.
How to destroy a great nation's economy by JR Mooneyham
Totally suicidal by Chris M.       Unfair by Ron C.       Simple lifestyles by Faith A.
Unsolved riddle by Herb Ruhs, MD       No prob by Obbop       Conundrum by Anonymous

 

Limbo debate: How low can these candidates go?

by Penny Nichols

Apr. 18, 2008
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Both Clinton and Obama swore blood oaths not to raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 a year. FYI, that cap works out to $100 an hour. I don't think even Obama has measure the depths of bitterness and rage "out there" if he is considering people who earn $99 an hour "middle class".  ... Click for more ... 

Penny Nichols  unknownnews@inbox.com



Truth from Tehran, lies from Washington

by Angry Annie

Apr. 18, 2008
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Report reveals that Iran seized British sailors in disputed waters
 
Excerpt: The Britons were seized because the US-led coalition designated a sea boundary for Iran’s territorial waters without telling the Iranians where it was, internal Ministry of Defense briefing papers reveal.

Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act detail for the first time the blunders last spring that led to what an all-party committee of MPs came to describe as a “national embarrassment”. ...

The Iranian Revolutionary Guards’ coastal protection vessels were crossing this invisible line at a rate of three times a week; It was the British who apparently raised their weapons first before the Iranian gunboats came alongside ...

Iran always claimed that it had arrested the Britons for violating its territorial integrity.

And so, what the Iranians said at the time was true, and what Bush and the Brits were saying wasn't true. This is, of course, entirely in keeping with the ongoing pattern of disinformation about Iran, which will almost certainly culminate in American bombs dropping on Tehran.

Angry Annie  unknownnews@inbox.com



For the doctor

by The Canadian

Apr. 18, 2008
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Re NSPD-51

NSPD-51: Nationalist Socialist Party Directive 51? Peace, Dr Ruhs,

The Canadian  unknownnews@inbox.com



Darwin

by Wig

Apr. 18, 2008
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Charles Darwin's theory of evolution drafts go online

Now the "Creationists" can really scream.

Wig 

  They're probably too stupid to find the website, but they'll hear about it from their grandchildren ...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



America has just out-evilled Evil itself

by Chris D.

Apr. 18, 2008
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Not only does your Congress, Democrats and Republicans alike, deign to openly dictate what Iraq's government will do while claiming it tastes freedom for the first time, they now force the Iraqi people to reimburse the military that carpet bombs entire city blocks for the fuel they expend in the process of raining death and terror upon them and have publicly declared that all aid Iraq received after being crushed beneath jack-booted heels was some undeserved kindness.  ... Click for more ... 

Chris D.  unknownnews@inbox.com



The unambiguous treason of George W. Bush

by Dionne N.

Apr. 18, 2008
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Robert Scheer has written a succinct brief explaining the unambiguous treason of George W. Bush following 9/11, something that ought to be read by everyone in that stubbornly stupid demographic that still supports the Bush administration. Inexplicably, Scheer has hidden this raw truth at the end of an otherwise ordinary, almost tedious article about John McCain, but let's cut the crap and get straight to the point:
 
Excerpt: In the name of fighting the 9/11 terrorists, the Bush administration overthrew the one Arab government most adamantly opposed to the Saudi financiers of that son of their system, Osama bin Laden. Instead of confronting the royal leaders of a kingdom that supplied 15 of the 19 hijackers, we invaded a nation that supplied not a single one. While Bush overthrew Saddam Hussein, who had no ties to the hijackers, he embraced the leaders of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, the only three nations in the world that had diplomatically recognized and supported the Taliban sponsors of al-Qaida.

Consider that historical marker at a time when the UAE and Saudi Arabia bankers are buying major positions in distressed U.S. financial and other key corporate institutions. I know, it all sounds too conspiratorial, like imagining that we might wake up from this national nightmare and discover that the CEO of Halliburton, who replaced Dick Cheney when the latter selected himself to be Bush’s vice president, now has his headquarters in Dubai, tucked safely into the obscenely oil-revenue-rich UAE that our troops were sent to Iraq to protect.

There is no national outrage, or even seriously sustained media interest, over the fact that Cheney’s old company profited enormously from ripping off U.S. tax dollars going into the Iraq occupation. Nor is there even much curiosity about the shenanigans of Halliburton, which is doing business with Arab oil sheiks at a time when the U.S. banks these Middle Eastern oil interests bought into are moving to foreclose on American homeowners.

Dionne N.  unknownnews@inbox.com



How to destroy a great nation's economy

by JR Mooneyham

Apr. 18, 2008
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In a nutshell, this is what the whole country of America has been doing to itself, via outsourcing and miscellaneous other wage depression schemes, for decades now. If we're not yet beyond the point of no return, we sure as hell must be close!  ... Click for more ... 

JR Mooneyham  (www.jrmooneyham.com/)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Totally suicidal

by Chris M.

Apr. 18, 2008
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Source: U.S. strike on Iran nearing
 
Excerpt: While Israel was conducting the largest homefront military exercises in its history last week, Israel’s National Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer warned Tehran about expected attacks on the Jewish state.

“An Iranian attack will prompt a severe reaction from Israel, which will destroy the Iranian nation,” he said.

He predicted that in a future war, “hundreds of missiles will rain on Israel,” but added that Iran “is definitely aware of our strength.”

In addition to long-range missiles Iran has been developing to strike Israel, Israel’s military strategists see the Iranians using terror groups they back like Hamas operating from Palestine and Hezbollah from Lebanon to launch attacks.

Iran has supplied Hezbollah with an arsenal that now contains “tens of thousands of missiles,” according to the Washington Post.

Totally suicidal on the part of anyone who would try it. Therefore insane.

U.S. attack on Iran is not the answer
 
Excerpt: A U.S. attack on Iran would jeopardize all of America's interests in the region and engulf it in conflict. An attempted surgical strike on Iran's nuclear facilities would require thousands of sorties to strike Iran's far-flung air and naval facilities and clever decoys.

To prepare for an inevitable counterattack, we would need to defend Gulf oil facilities and transit routes. In Iraq and Afghanistan, our troops would face retaliation, outnumbered by an enemy with short supply lines. Hamas and Hezbollah would be unleashed. Enraged Muslim populations would attack anyone seen as allied with America. Moreover, an attack will spur rather than deter nuclear proliferation.

Which would destroy Iran, Iraq, Israel and render nearly all other states to rubble as well as more that a few large US cities.

I can't help but think that this may not be such a bad thing after all. Especially the last part.

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Hospital in hot water over YouTube video of rectal surgery
 
Excerpt: Staff at a Philippine government hospital are under investigation after a former patient threatened a lawsuit over a YouTube video clip of his rectal surgery, officials said Thursday.

The clip showed hospital staff, including nurses and surgeons, laughing and cheering as a blue canister was removed from the male patient's rectum during the January 3 operation at the Vicente Sotto Memorial Medical Center in the central city of Cebu.

Rectum? Damn near killed him!

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Concerned about what you're eating and where it came from?
 
Excerpt: One kitchen gardener, Roger Doiron, started a movement, Kitchen Gardeners International, where you can learn the tricks of the trade. He is quoted in the Times talking about who his audience is: “people out there who are concerned about peak oil, or the gardening gastronomes who want the freshest food possible. Or the people who joined a C.S.A.” -- a community-supported agriculture project -- “last year, and this year are thinking, you know what? I can do some of this myself.”

What ever happened to back yard gardens?? When I grew up even people in the city (except apartment dwellers) had back yard gardens. Now there are restrictive covenants and deed restrictions and home owners association even in the most cheesy developments that prevent you from growing anything but daises and such.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Unsolved riddle

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Apr. 18, 2008
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Remind yourselves of this many times a day to be protected from toxic propaganda: A bad tree can not bear good fruit. Everything I hear from mass media, government spokesmen and the public relations industry generally is the fruit of a bad tree. The better the message sounds, the worse it is. The poisoned apple is always the prettiest one.

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Our government is not the government we think it is. In fact, our government is not the government that the government thinks it is. Those in the know say that they have no idea what our government is and don't expect to find out.

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Neocon = new confidence men.

Herb Ruhs, MD  unknownnews@inbox.com



Simple lifestyles

by Faith A.

Apr. 18, 2008
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Re Less is more, and tarnished is better

Oh how wonderful -- who knew that mine and many others' simple lifestyles would become all the rage?

Faith A.  unknownnews@inbox.com



No prob

by Obbop

Apr. 18, 2008
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Re Will America become one huge tent city?

I see no problem. As long as the elite class is living well America is functioning as it is supposed to.

Remove every single illegal alien from the Los Angeles area and enough housing would be opened up and the supply/demand economic function would drive down the current extremely high rents down to a level where the working poor could actually afford to rent or stop having to shove 15 people into one small apartment.

Obbop 

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Unfair

by Ron C.

Apr. 18, 2008
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Re Not allowed to have a different opinion,
and How can I be sexist when I ask for equality?

I have read the complaints about how poorly and unfairly Hillary Clinton has been treated by the mainstream media, and OK, I understand that. I saw that as it happened. Sexism is a real thing and it shouldn't be tolerated.

I just don't understand the complaints of M.M. and Mrs Collier... Has the Democratic Party treated Clinton unfairly? Have her opponents treated her unfairly? Has someone at Unknown News treated her unfairly? I would say no, no, and no a third time. She's been treated like any other candidate, perfectly fairly, by the party, by her opponents, and by everyone at Unknown News.

Talk about "unfair", it's more than a little "unfair" that she's running as a Democrat, when the sum total of her public life adds up that she's a Republican. My hope is that her embarrassingly unprincipled, un-Democratic campaign will un-endear her with New Yorkers, and she'll be voted out of the Senate next time around.

But if she somehow manages to steal the Democratic Party nomination, I will vote for her in November ... as much a Republican as she is, she's not as Republican as John McCain.

Ron C.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Conundrum

by Anonymous

Apr. 18, 2008
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Re Congress wants Iraq to pay for its own rebuilding

Another case where an infuriatingly large number of Democrats are repulsively siding with Republicans on a matter that ought to offend any sane person's basic humanity. 9/10 of me wants such Democrats to be simply purged from the party, so the words under which sanity sometimes gathers ("Democratic Party") can still mean something worthwhile ...

But without the support of these morally clueless so-called Democrats, even the Dems' slightest Congressional accomplishments would have been impossible. Hell of a catch, that Catch 22, and it's small comfort to remind myself that I'm not a Democrat and never have been.

Anonymous  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Figure out what is what by Mr. Chuckles       Even then it was miserable by Chris M.
Extend the limits by David J.       Bastards, to put it mildly by Marie K.
How can I be sexist when I ask for equality? by M.M.
The surge is working? by Wig       Monstrous mega-bullies by Boris Chorus
NSPD-51 by Herb Ruhs, MD       Defenseless on the net by JR Mooneyham
Rice by Angry Annie       Eviction by Jos       Crisis? What crisis? by Glen M.
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Figure out what is what

by Mr. Chuckles

Apr. 17, 2008
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Re Holy sh*t terrifying

Definition: current account balance

Essentially, net sum of capital in/outflows and trade surplus/deficit.

The cause of our negative current account balance is mostly, at this time, the result of our massive trade deficits.

As a result of years of deficits people in other countries increasingly own America -- bonds, stocks, land, businesses, rents, intellectual property, etc. Our national sovereignty is in the process of being transferred. We are coming under new ownership, and our politicians will increasingly be subservient to foreign interests.

It is likely that the new owners will be smarter and wiser than the previous owners, so ... it isn't so bad (like working for Honda after getting laid off from Ford or GM, it ain't a bad gig.)

One reason why a falling dollar is not actually helping our trade deficit is that we import far more than we export, so even if exports continue to grow, we still run deficits. Also, with globalization so solidly in place, not only are our imports likely to become more expensive as the dollar falls, but domestic goods will rise in price! That is because domestic manufacturers will sell to those willing to pay up, they're no longer stuck selling just to Americans, who are, on average, tapped out.

I think the most terrifying thing about the ongoing destruction of America's financial, monetary and economic systems is that the public debates are so lacking. The entire system is coming undone, but when discussions occur, they are about individual symptoms and how the government can treat them.

But not only did the government create, allow or promote the problems we have now, we are using their statistics in our debate, and the government statistics are manipulated to minimize the public relations problems which the Truth would create. For example, CPI is reportedly just 4% according to the Feds, but in reality it has probably been over 10% for many years now. That means that not only are people on Social Security getting robbed, but the GDP hasn't actually been growing as reported, but has been shrinking for years.

There are reasons not to be terrified, of course. Aside from being a mega-millionaire or a pensioned government bureaucrat, assuming that you are unable to obtain passports and exit papers (remember Casablanca), your best bet may be to incorporate with a group of friends/associates/random passersby, and work together using the rules of the system.

For example, if a group of people organized into a corporation to buy up, upgrade and rent out distressed houses in distressed locations, or even in far-off locations off the grid, then all of the travel and living expenses could be deductible (if handled properly); you could live on-site working together -- and then nomad off to the next job, leaving behind some stakeholders to guard the assets (and perhaps enlist new associate members in the enterprise).

The important thing, in my opinion, is to determine The Truth in your own mind, using your own words and mental concepts. Figure out what is what. Then act accordingly.

As an example of this process, consider how many of us now view the US dollar. In the old days we regarded it as a fixed unit of measure. Now we regard it as a depreciating, variable unit measuring (less and less) "stored wealth". If you can change the terrain of your thinking and adapt to new realities then you stand a better chance of prospering (and surviving.)

Mr. Chuckles  unknownnews@inbox.com



Even then it was miserable

by Chris M.

Apr. 17, 2008
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Re Wagons east to Youngstown

It's been a very long time since I was last in Youngstown Oh. Around 1970. But even then it was a miserable, dirty and disgusting place to have to live. Now as I understand it the crime rate is out of this world. So I can see why they would wont to bull doze abandoned or old homes for green spaces. They have been trying to clean up the Mahoning River but there is so much toxic sludge from the steel mills in it, this has been a formidable task to say the least.

You can get a fairly nice house in Mahoning and Trumbull Counties (Warren) for under 60k with land to boot.

Chris M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Extend the limits

by David J.

Apr. 17, 2008
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Re The new war of independence

While I agree with your basic premise that an inordinate amount of power rests in the hands of a few, I am not as pessimistic about opportunities to unravel the structures which create all that privilege. What seems rock solid may in fact be as tenuous as other empires throughout history. I am perhaps not as convinced that the required competency exists to maintain this imbalance permanently nor that a global wide movement of not just resistance but all out opposition is not possible. The lack of "leadership" may be its most subversive trait!

While I am prepared to build "within the shell of the old" I want to constantly reach outward and extend the "limits" of unity and concert.

David J.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Bastards, to put it mildly

by Marie K.

Apr. 17, 2008
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The title of this short article says it all: “USA knew about consequences of depleted uranium (DU) -- British expert.”

The expert, Keith Baverstock, a British physicist made this claim, the “USA had information on how dangerous depleted uranium [is] one year before the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999.” He then explains that it is bad for the kidneys, bones, liver, and the lymph system. It “also becomes genotoxic [it damages cellular DNA] when it enters the body, which always leads to cancer.”

And how did the US military forces find out? -- after they “hit their own troops with anti-tank missiles having depleted uranium by mistake in Iraq in 1991.”

So for over 15 years they’ve kept on using it not just overseas, but also in the US during military training as this Aug. 21, 2007 article indicates -- ”a military contractor confirmed the presence of depleted uranium” at a US Army training area on the Big Island of Hawaii. Earlier it was found at an Oahu post. All sorts of denials are also mentioned, along with this cop-out statement by the AP writer of the article: “some researchers suspect exposure to depleted uranium may have caused chronic fatigue and other symptoms in veterans of the first Gulf War, but there is no conclusive evidence it has.” SHAME ON YOU, Associated Press.

As for the US military that continues to use DU weaponry -- as I’ve already said, you’re BASTARDS. Hopefully, those who have allowed its use will be locked up someday.

Marie K. 

  And of course, I just couldn't agree more. After the revolution, after me and my comrades are in charge, one of the first tasks to be undertaken will be freeing all the non-violent drug users from all the prisons, and replacing them (after fair trials, of course) with all the American military and political leaders who have authorized war crimes and crimes against humanity, which definitely includes everyone who's signed off on the use of what's misleadingly called "depleted" uranium.

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



How can I be sexist when I ask for equality?

by M.M.

Apr. 17, 2008
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Re My final word on Hillary Clinton

I can see that you will continue to ignore my point.

I am not the enemy, nor is Hillary, nor is some shadowy foreigner. The current administration has done more damage to our Constitution, our laws, our economy and way of life than any foreign government or group could have done.
"...blind grab at power..."
That is an interesting phrase. So everyone who has ever run for president has been making a blind grab at power, or just Hillary?

Just so you know, I am just as excited about the prospect of a black president as I am a female. If ethnic minorities, women, poor whites, and gays and lesbians (all the marginalized people) would join ranks, what a powerful force the underdogs would be. But instead of changing the system everyone tries to assimilate into it.

I worry when I read the headlines that McSame will somehow either win or steal the election. And I worry that too many people focus their venom on Hillary when it is Bush who continues to do the unthinkable. Her lies aren't killing innocent people.

How can I be sexist when I ask for equality?

Dictionary.com states:
 
equality
noun 1. the quality of being the same in quantity or measure or value or status [ant: inequality]
2. a state of being essentially equal or equivalent; equally balanced; "on a par with the best"

Mystified M.M.? 

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The surge is working?

by Wig

Apr. 17, 2008
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Now hear this, Bush:

US sinks even lower in Arab world's esteem -- poll

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Many Iraqis despise puppet Prime Minister Maliki as "worse than Saddam"
 
Excerpt: Many Iraqis have come to believe that Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki is just as much a dictator as Saddam Hussein was. "Maliki is a dictator who must be removed by all means," 35-year-old Abdel-Riza Hussein, a Mehdi Army member from Sadr City in Baghdad told IPS. "He is a worse dictator than Saddam; he has killed in less than two years more than Saddam killed in 10 years."

Ah, the surge is working?

Wig 

  Depends on what the meaning of "working" is. I suspect that the only intent of "the surge" is to make sure the chaos continues or escalates, and in that regard yes indeed the surge is working...

Helen & Harry  unknownnews@inbox.com



Monstrous mega-bullies

by Boris Chorus

Apr. 17, 2008
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Pentagon seeks authority and more than doubling
of budget to train and equip foreign militaries
 
Excerpt: Defense Secretary Robert Gates urged Congress on Tuesday to grant the Pentagon permanent authority to train and equip foreign militaries, a task previously administered by the State Department, and to raise the annual budget for the effort to $750 million, a 250 percent increase.

Will someone please say no to these monstrous mega-bullies?

Boris Chorus  unknownnews@inbox.com



NSPD-51

by Herb Ruhs, MD

Apr. 17, 2008
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You should know what NSPD-51 is.
 
Excerpt: Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.

Herb Ruhs, MD 

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Defenseless on the net

by JR Mooneyham

Apr. 17, 2008
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Defenseless on the net
 
With all the cyber spies and state-sponsored hackers on the Internet, is there any way to defend ourselves? Critics say not completely.

Yeah, even the Pentagon or a rich corporate exec with a whole expert IT department focused on security might not be able to stop a determined hack attack of some sort.

But most hackers and their malware are looking for easy targets, not fortified ones. Plus, your own home or office machine is unlikely to offer more treasure to be plundered than your personal household finances and family member identities (small potatoes for the usual cyber-thief living on the other side of the planet, and after dozens or hundreds of credit card or checking account numbers at once).

So the typical person's biggest cyber-threats likely consist of some partial form of identity theft, or unwanted wholesale surveillance. Perpetrated by a techno-savvy neighbor or extended family member, or big business or big government. And most of those may basically be after something to blackmail you with some day -- or else analyze with advanced methods to figure out the best way to mass market you and yours towards particular future purchases or election votes (the Republican party has been on the cutting edge of such matters for years now). With periodic computer crashes from malware being largely due to accident or lack of prudence on your part.

So for most of us, even the rudimentary safeguards we're capable of performing will usually provide us with at least more protection than the majority of our fellow citizens possess -- thereby encouraging the bad guys to go after someone else. Safeguards like those found in:

Do-it-yourself security tips for PCs on broadband connections

If you wish to see more about the huge crowd of online spies and thieves threatening us all today, you can check out: They own you and all your property too

If you'd like to make the politicians actually outlaw all that spying crap, there's only one way: first outlaw the private financing of election campaigns. Make it all public financing. With heavy restrictions on campaign advertising by groups supposedly independent of the candidates, too. There's lots more we'd have to do besides that to fix the mess we're in. But weaning the politicians from the wallets of fat cat backers would likely do wonders all by itself.

JR Mooneyham  (www.jrmooneyham.com/)  unknownnews@inbox.com



Rice

by Angry Annie

Apr. 17, 2008
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Rice says she's ‘offended’ that many diplomats don’t want to serve in Iraq

It would be so very inspiring if Secretary of State Rice began doing her own work out of an office in Baghdad's Green Zone, perhaps near the workout center.

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Second trial ends in second hung jury for so-called 'terrorists'
 
Excerpt: A judge has declared a mistrial in the retrial of six men accused of plotting terrorist acts with al Qaeda.

The decision comes after 13 days of deliberation and marks the second time government prosecutors have failed to convince a jury that the six defendants were guilty of terror-related charges.

Absolutely bogus charges.

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Eviction

by Jos

Apr. 17, 2008
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Re Will America become one huge tent city?

Well, we will finally all be under one big tent together maybe, how many rings though, is a good question, and the clowns are running it all.

Funny how all this reflects what is happening to me. What, should I tell you all to stop copying me like the kids used to fight? Just got this threat about being -- have to be out by end of month. Probably will be amended but that depends on a bit of luck and a lot not under my control. The laugh however is that the last time my family sis this to me it was Mayday in 98 or 99. So she is doing it to me again on the anniversary. Should I throw a party or what?

Yeah, family would and is supposed to be the back-up for us all, but to be frank it seems that family has a lot to do with people being homeless. Amazing how fast a brother will suddenly go from saying I love you bro and I am always here for you to pretending to not be home and not answering the door. Absolutely amazing!

Hopefully the job at the chicken plant will come through and the economy doesn't get drastically worse. Then I can possibly find a small one room at the corner hotel or one of the local buildings converted to multiple apartments from one and two family houses. Then I can feel safe on my own. Everyone needs to be able to feel like that. No one needs to be on the street wondering if this is as good as it will ever be again.

I tend to take it all very personally but then none of it is happening in any form I would describe as "impersonal". Also reason number one why I would not have a gun -- not because of danger to others but the thought of just taking myself out of this all. (What, and miss the next BS they all come up with?) (family, congress, Bush and Cheney, they all could be amusing if the blood in the gutters wasn't real)

This is America, isn't it? I thought we were better than this! Another case where the political is the personal? My life bites, your's does too. Let's not be bitter just yet. Maybe together we can do something great.

Between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99

Jos 

  We're both rooting for you, Jos. This is America, but no, we're no better than this... Incidentally, I (Harry) lived in a small one-room in various dilapidated residential hotels for several years, and without trying to sound all pollyanna manna about it, I came to kind of like living that way. It has its advantages, not least of which is cheapness.

Helen & Harry 

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Crisis? What crisis?

by Glen M.

Apr. 17, 2008
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Crisis? What crisis? -- also the title of a Supertramp album from 1975 -- has a picture of a guy on the cover relaxing in the sun, with a big parasol blocking the sun from him. In the background there is a landscape of factories and refineries spewing toxic clouds of smoke into the air.

This is why I am writing this letter -- the health care companies are the guy under the parasol and the general public lives amongst all of the factories and refineries.

So, how so you ask? Well, it is like this.

In the USA, it is almost a necessity to have health insurance. Well, it is a necessity if you need regular care. That would make up about 100% of the population. Especially if you have kids, or you are elderly. For my mother in law, who is 76 and a 4 time cancer survivor, it is either that she pays her premiums or she dies. Plain and simple. For my son and I, we pay the premiums (well, I do), or I get fired (AGAIN!) and he cannot function. We both need medication just to function. He is mildly autistic, and had some ADHD so we treat him for that. I am probably autistic as well (never been OFFICIALLY tested) and I do have a severe case of adult ADHD. It makes me cranky, short fused, lose patience easily, foul-mouthed and edgy. I take medicine, and I can control it MOST of the time ( my wife may say otherwise).

So, what is the crisis, you ask? Well, why do my health insurance premiums keep increasing, and my coverage stay the same or actually decrease? See below:

NB: the below information is taken from http://www.nasdaq.com -- 10 minutes of research and a little knowledge of finance, and voila! Look how much money they make! (oh the 'm' stands for millions, by the way!)
 
Aetna
Totals
Revenue
EPS
Dividends
2007
$27,599(m)
$25,145(m)
$22,491(m)
2006
3.47
2.99
2.7
2005
0.08
0.08
0.04

Net Income Applicable to Common Shareholders
2007
2006
2005
$1,831,000,000
$1,701,700,000
$1,634,500,000

Cigna
Totals
2007
2006
2005
Revenue
$17,623(m)
$16,547(m)
$16,684(m)
EPS
3.87
3.427
4.173
Dividends
0.038
0.033
0.033

Net Income Applicable to Common Shareholders
2007
2006
2005
$1,115,000,000
$1,155,000,000
$1,625,000,000

EPS serves as an indicator of a company's profitability.

A distribution of a portion of a company's earnings, decided by the board of directors, to a class of its shareholders. The dividend is most often quoted in terms of the dollar amount each share receives (dividends per share). It can also be quoted in terms of a percent of the current market price, referred to as dividend yield.

Okay, so if you look carefully, Cigna (big health care company) has decreased in income and Aetna has increased. I wanted to see a profit and loss statement (basically shows how much profit a company has) but, hey, I couldn't get one. (Not available from this site -- please contact company directly). Gee. I would have had to go directly to the company for one. So, I can't expose their evil so easily ...

Some incomplete data here. Sorry!

However, if you look at the numbers, you can see that the company is generating a shit-load of capital. Cinga in 2007 $1.115 BILLION!! . Aetna in 2007 $1.831 BILLION!! Not bad for a company that's only real expense is paying doctors and hospitals.

So, we keep hearing on the news that there is a "... health care crisis in the USA..." Really? Maybe for you and I, since we have to dig a little deeper but not for the Cignas and Aetnas. So, wouldn't you think that if you pay more for something that you will get a better product? I would think so.

I guess we just have to think about all those poor, poor CIOs, CTOs, CFOs, and CEOs that only got a $1.5 million bonus last Christmas instead of the $2.0 million one that they got the previous year. Think about that next time you pick up your prescription at Wal-Mart and your co-pay is now $10 instead of $5 for generic drugs. Just consider yourself lucky.

Peace

Glen M.  unknownnews@inbox.com



Neighborhood memorial park

by Siskiyousis

Apr. 17, 2008
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Re Heckuva job, GMie!

The ruins of Detroit have not been memorialized in a brilliant photo book for no reason. Even proposed as a memorial park.

The Detroit automakers have made the same errors as all the rest of the Big Cats in the Rust Belt -- they failed to reinvest in technology as well as watch the trends and stay current with the needs of the driving public. Instead the out-sourced the technology and the jobs.

The assumed, wrongly, that they could create the market they wanted with hype. They were only half right and it did not last long enough once the Japanese began filling the gaping void in the 70s.

Bad on them.

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Re Wagons east to Youngstown

Yeah, Karma would be my guess, too.

I used to know a woman from there and her family is still in Youngstown. She said it has been going downhill for decades.

Siskiyousis  unknownnews@inbox.com



Finger pie

by Marvin A.

Apr. 17, 2008
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Re Congress wants Iraq to pay for its own rebuilding

Congress wants Iraq to pay for its own rebuilding

That headline sounds great to a lot of people who actually read the news. It's about time -- they say. I see it differently. I see a way out for the lawmakers.

They have already bankrupted this country. Shifting the bills to Iraq does not mean that the Iraqis will get something for it or be better off. It means that the same people who bankrupted us will now get a brand new pie to get their fingers in.

Marvin A.  unknownnews@inbox.com


 
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Eva Braun was unavailable

by Angry Annie

Apr. 16, 2008
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Congress wants Iraq to pay for its own rebuilding
 
Excerpt: [Sen Ben] Nelson, a Democrat, is drafting legislation with Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Evan Bayh of Indiana that would restrict future reconstruction dollars to loans instead of grants.

Their bill also would require that Baghdad pay for the fuel used by American troops and take over U.S. payments to predominantly Sunni fighters in the Awakening movement. Plans are to propose the legislation as part of a war bill to cover spending through September.

Likewise, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he wants to add a provision to a defense policy bill that would force the Iraqi government to spend its own surplus in oil revenues to rebuild the country before U.S. dollars are spent.

Well, that seems mighty... American. If you're mugged, beaten senseless, crippled and left for dead, nobody seriously expects the muggers to pay for your hospital stay and physical therapy.

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NBC gives Laura Bush an hour as guest host on Today Show

When I was a kid the Today Show was journalism. I don’t know what it is these days besides unwatchable, but even if it's intended as pure vaudeville I would think putting a war criminal's wife in charge is a bad idea. Eva Braun, I guess, was unavailable?

Angry Annie 

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My final word on Hillary Clinton

by Chris D.

Apr. 16, 2008
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Re Treat Hillary Clinton respectfully

M.M., you're asking us all to grit our teeth and speak no ill of a person we feel is spewing whatever nonsense they feel is necessary to facilitate a blind grab for power and doesn't even have the savvy to be less obvious about it. You're asking us to respect her, but tell me honestly if you think Hillary Clinton will serve any of your interests? Or the interests of anyone that isn't in her own interests? You care little for the insults people use on McCain and Obama except as a comparison to what people say of Clinton. That 'iron my shirt' jab is weak at best and all you're focusing on, all you choose to see of what is said.

Face it, if Hillary were a man you wouldn't give a shit what we said. You're sexist yourself. That Hillary is a woman is all you're concerned with, that less than half the Senate is female is all you're concerned with. Competence, for all the arguments you've made about having the rest of us consider it, means precisely squat to you.

You've complained about representation, but being a woman does not automatically mean Hillary is the best person to represent women in America. Even if she weren't as self-serving as she appears to be, I still think she'd be out of touch with the majority of women. If you mixed up the Senate to accurately mimic the mixed ethnicities, religions, and gender ratio in the US it wouldn't mean much of anything. You'd still have the same problems of people screwing each other over for personal gain and singling each other out for attack.

You've also complained that less than 1% of the wealth in America is in the hands of women, but you do realize of course that 1% is all that is shared among the vast majority of Americans. The other 99% belongs to a tiny handful of the obscenely rich and their families.

If you're really concerned about equality, try focusing on the issues. Pay disparity, court considerations, sentencing differences, company policies and how they relate between the sexes. Something that actually matters! How we feel about any of the jokers running for President means nothing if those problems don't get solved.

Chr