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This is treason

by Jesus Jones       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

To provoke war, Cheney considered proposal to
dress up Navy SEALs as Iranians and shoot at them
 
Excerpt: "There [were] a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don't we build -- we in our shipyard -- build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives.

And it was rejected because you can't have Americans killing Americans. That's the kind of -- that's the level of stuff we're talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected."

Stop, please, and re-read that until it sinks in: These American leaders seriously discussed having American Navy SEALs shot, in a false-flag operation to trigger another war. This is treason, like so much of the Bush-Cheney administration.

Jesus Jones
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Why Cipro, when that's not the recommended antibiotic?

by Herb Ruhs, MD       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Yes, dear friends, the monsters are no longer confined to the area under the bed. And yes, these monsters are quite capable of railroading a scientist and even murdering him and trying to make it look like a suicide in order to clear the case and put enquiring minds to rest on the issue of possible official culpability in domestic terrorism.  ... Click for more ... 

Herb Ruhs, MD
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Tell me again

by JR Mooneyham       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Just call it the USS George W. Bush? They only had to spend $5 billion plus to figure out it was a warship which couldn't fight in wars. Not even wars of near 70 years ago (WWII).

Stealth destroyer is largely defenseless, admiral says
 
Excerpt: "...the world's most expensive surface warship can't properly defend itself or other ships from an extremely widespread threat" ... "the Navy has been delivering a lunchbag of bullshit to Congress regarding surface combatants for three years."

Tell me again: how is universal healthcare a worse investment than this?

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GOP Senate campaign manager: "We're going to shove ... ads up his ass"
 
Excerpt: "This guy was fundraising in Colorado and missing votes. That is reprehensible."
-- GOP guy talking about Democratic Rep. Mark Udall

Haven't there been a lot of articles about McCain missing votes because of his campaigning? Can't any GOP ads about this Democrat be turned around and used against McCain?

JR Mooneyham  (www.jrmooneyham.com/)
I've seen a few articles making that complaint about McCain, but he's McCain, so the articles never resonate past one news cycle.
Helen & Harry
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Exxxcellent

by Mr. Burns       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Texas Republican asks Libertarian
candidates to drop out in close races


Exxxcellent -- the Libertarian Party could take enough votes from Republicans to give Democrats a few more congressional seats in Texas.

Mr. Burns
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Beer call

by Madeline Zane       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Money beats the ban by JR Mooneyham
I guess the next thing to become exclusively available to the rich after that would be beer.
Umm, I hate to break this to you, JR, but I live not far from Milwaukee, and I’ve read more than once in the papers that due to sharp increases in the price of grain and gas, that yeah, that’s pretty much what’s next.

Madeline Zane
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Old hens

by Chris M.       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Local food gets trendy
 
Excerpt: This is just a shell game in the culture wars, however. I am convinced that local food is going to become a steady, long-term growth market. For its taste, cost and eco-friendliness, local food has already become a symbol of social virtue. People are starting to realize that it is not so good for the planet to haul meat from New Zealand, wheat from South Dakota and fruit from California. Social demand and sheer economics are starting to buoy local growers, and supermarkets are looking for new ways to call attention to their local produce. The trend lines are clear.

How in the world did this become "new"?? When I grew up in NorthEast Ohio, nearly everything we ate was local and quite often from our own gardens. What we did not grow, we got from vegetable stands out in front of some farm. And we would either freeze or can any extra for over the winter. I did not know of anybody who did not do this.

The "Farmers Markets" in Cleveland or Pittsburgh Pa or Philadelphia Pa. had produce from local farms not trucked in from who know where.

Even the fruit was local. As well as the meat and chicken. I had a friend outside Phillie that raised chickens and sold the eggs for extra money. (But you really don't want to eat old hens that stop laying. Talk about tough and gamy.)

I guess I must belong in the Smithsonian or something.

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The heart of the economic mess
 
Excerpt: This underlying earnings problem has been masked for years as middle- and lower-income Americans found means to live beyond their paychecks. But they have now run out of such coping mechanisms. As I've noted elsewhere, the first coping mechanism was to send more women into paid work. Most women streamed into the work force in the 1970s less because new professional opportunities opened up to them than because they had to prop up family incomes. The percentage of American working mothers with school-age children has almost doubled since 1970 -- to more than 70 percent. But there’s a limit to how many mothers can maintain paying jobs.

There is still an elephant in the kitchen that nobody wants to acknowledge. That is the "easy credit" that started in the 70s with the availability of credit cards. Which made it so much easier for the Shylocks and con artists -- who pose as bankers and businessmen -- to charge whatever they damn well pleased for their "product" and to employers to screw works out of their wages with little consequence. They would do this by convincing people they could still have the "good life", just charge it to the plastic and various dodgy investment schemes.

Now the piper has to be paid and everyone is in hock up to their eyebrows.

Chris M.
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Hard to do

by Siskiyousis       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Corporations as doomsday devices by Pavel C.
There is no conceivable outcome of breaking up these corporations which would be worse than keeping them as they are.
Yes, but WHO will do the breaking?

Siskiyousis
Pavel C. replies       unknownnews@inbox.com



The wealth of arrogance and ignorance

by psycop       Tuesday, August 5, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Why can't Iran have nukes? by HappySysiphus

Yea... wake up sheeple! What I can't stand is ppl who think we as a nation have the right to tell another sovereign nation what they can or cannot do. The premise that we do so to protect ourselves has proven to be completely bogus time and time again. Even if someone was dumb enough to toss a couple nukes our way it's quite obvious as to what to outcome of that would be. WTF would ppl think if Mr. Putin decided to park a slew of carriers out there somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico? Couldn't they use the same rational as we do that in fact we're the threat and that the "imperialist Americans" need to be kept in check? No it wouldn't play out the same way it did almost 50 years ago, it would be quite different. The war of economics, education and technology is what we should be concerning ourselves with, not trying to find another way to make more $$ for the war machine, Bush and his cronies. That's the war we're losing. Sheesh, the wealth of arrogance and ignorance is astounding. :/

psycop
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Dialogue  for
Tuesday, August 5, 2008 

This is treason by Jesus Jones
Why Cipro, when that's
not the recommended antibiotic?

by Herb Ruhs, MD
Tell me again by JR Mooneyham
Exxxcellent by Mr. Burns
Beer call by Madeline Zane
Old hens by Chris M.
Hard to do by Siskiyousis
The wealth of arrogance and ignorance by psycop

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