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Still crazy after all these years

by Angry Annie       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Cloning Boogers by SirJ

Holy crap, SirJ. This just gets curiouser and curiouser.

A cloned dog, a Mormon in mink-lined handcuffs and a tantalizing mystery

Angry Annie
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McCain's media shield

by Janice Lester       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

What if Obama had McCain's "Abdullah" donations?

More and more, it's a question you can ask several times daily, seven days a week, as McCain's campaign commits gaffe after gaffe, and the corporate-controlled media promptly and obediently looks the other way every time. I'll predict that sometime soon, just because humans make mistakes, Obama will say something silly (but not half as silly as any of a dozen things McCain says every day), but because it's Obama the media will pounce and replay it a thousand times, while McCain bumbles and stumbles through a few hundred more photo ops, saying stupid things in front of cameras and microphones, never to be seen or heard on newscasts anywhere.

Janice Lester
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Beating Krugman

by JR Mooneyham       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Know-nothing politics
by Paul Krugman, NEW YORK TIMES
 
Excerpt: Know-nothingism -- the insistence that there are simple, brute-force, instant-gratification answers to every problem, and that there's something effeminate and weak about anyone who suggests otherwise -- has become the core of Republican policy and political strategy. The party's de facto slogan has become: "Real men don't think things through."

It seems I beat Krugman to the punch on this topic by many years, when I originally created the page I quote from below:
 
"Another damaging long term effect conservatives may be having on America is discouraging deep contemplation, lengthy consideration, or substantive debate of virtually any issue, in favor of simplistic, strictly ideologically conservative proposals, which often ignore well established science facts and expert opinions regarding solutions to vexing problems -- and then later ignoring or censoring any results which indicate failure of those simple fixes."

"In the United States, there's a hollowing out of democratic procedure and an upsurge in unthinking, or anti-thinking, mob conduct"

-- Todd Gitlin

-- How to be radical? An interview with Todd Gitlin and George Monbiot by Anthony Barnett and Caspar Henderson; 4 - 9 - 2003"

The enormous hidden costs to society of 'right-wing' political governance

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Would Obama prosecute the Bush administration for torture?
 
Excerpt: Obama's brain trust wants to form a commission on torture and call Bush officials as witnesses, but put off prosecutions -- if any -- till a second term.

I know this is something lots of us badly want. BUT!!!!! I believe this in particular is something best not discussed at all while Bush-Cheney are still in office (unless it's part of an impeachment process). Why? Because Bush-Cheney are still in power, and able to take all sorts of horrible actions in regards to the possibility -- including canceling the election. DUH, people!

JR Mooneyham  (www.jrmooneyham.com/)
Taking it one step further: It seems to me that Obama might do well to select someone to his left as a Vice President. Russ Feingold, perhaps. It might dissuade the assassination mindset that no doubt permeates the crowd of heavy thinkers who surround Bush, Cheney, Rove, and McCain.
Helen & Harry
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A.P.'s latest scoop of kitty litter

by Jesus Jones       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Does A.P. stand for 'American Propaganda'? by Angry Annie

A.P. is making itself into a garbage news source. Every day I see something in the news that makes me wonder who's deciding what's news and what's wrong with these people, and the credit is often due Associated Press. Like this one this morning:

American neo-Nazis don't like Barack Obama -- how does this qualify as news? What's going on in the mind of an Associated Press assignment editor who sends a reporter to interview white supremacists and, uh, find out (?) how they feel about Barack Obama? In what serious journalistic sense is this newsworthy?

What's next? Maybe A.P. will send reporters to ask convicted pedophiles how they feel about Obama's daughters. What A.P. is doing is sickening, and it's killing the country.

Jesus Jones
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Truth v. Bullsh*t

by Clayton Barnes       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Book implicates White House in forged Iraqi WMD letter
 
Excerpt: The White House flatly denied Suskind's account. Tony Fratto, deputy White House press secretary, told POLITICO: "The allegation that the White House directed anyone to forge a document from Habbush to Saddam is just absurd."

In watching this news unfold, I'd just say, remember the lead characters here: Ron Suskind is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who, to the best of my recollection and quick research, has never yet gotten a story wrong. The Bush-Cheney administration, in stark contrast, has lied non-stop about every substantial matter of American foreign and domestic policy for eight years.

Clayton Barnes
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The toady of your choice

by Chris M.       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

This particular piece in COUNTERPUNCH attempts to make a case for voting for Nader (or some candidate other than the two "major" parties). A seductive idea, I will grant you. However... even should any of the lesser candidates become president now or some time in the distant future -- prospect as unlikely as the Seattle Mariners winning the wold series three years in a row -- they would be unable to change the status quo unless they had dictatorial powers. Powers that even Bush could not get.

Why ?? Because those who really do chose our leaders, do not want a dictator or king or emperor. They want a rubber stamp. A yes man. Those who head up the corporate and financial sectors want someone who will do THEIR bidding, NOT what he/or she in the White House wants. A toady.

What Bush has been doing is what these power brokers are letting him do, because it serves their interests or at least does not interfere with them. So bear in mind that whoever gets elected will simply be another "step and fetch it" for big business and the financial moguls and robber barons, regardless of their race, gender or politics.

Chris M.
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The damage is done, it's too late

by Kathy Fisher       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

There's a brand new home on my block. It's been there since April. The people were to move in June 1st, now it's August and they are still not in. I found out they were having trouble selling their current home, and it looks like they're not moving in at all.

People are having tremendous problems selling their homes by me and all through NJ, no matter what the price. Meanwhile the media whores are saying everything is fine, be happy, gas prices went down. What a mindfuck they're playing on the public.

I have fun at the gas station when I tell people, "They had to lower the price of gas so we could all eat." We're in the same place with gas prices right now as we were when they everyone was freaking because gas was going up to $3.50 a gallon, and now all of a sudden they are playing it in reverse. WTF!

Not so long ago they were flipping out because a barrel of crude was fast approaching 75 bucks but now that the magic number of horror was $150, and anything under 110.00 is just great.

Spinmiesters telling us 4 dollars was the MAGIC NUMBER that made CONSUMERS go nuts, that as soon as it went down to the soothing 3 number we'd all feel so much better and start spending money again. How stupid! Never mentioning that every single item of food we buy has gone sky high and continues to stay there.

These people haven't a clue. These pampered shitheads on Bloomberg, CNN fox, and MSNBC Business News trying to pretend that they are actually seriously trying to decipher why the Wal-Mart crowd isn't buying but it's curiously interesting to note that people are still buying Ralph Lauren apparel! (Good Lord give us a break!)

Where's the common sense here? The rich (a lower percentage of people) are staying rich -- DUH! When you can afford Ralph Lauren you're rich, or you're spending money you don't have. As for the Wal-Mart shoppers? Their wallets are getting thinner by the day.

Kathy Fisher  (klfisher@webtv.net)
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The relevant struggle

by Herb Ruhs, MD       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

True power actually does stem from the people, not from slaves, not from hostages, not from mercenaries, not from monopoly capitalism, not from superior weapons. The question is whether or not the people are awake enough to respond to the challenge of their oppression.  ... Click for more ... 

Herb Ruhs, MD
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Lord High Admiral of Nova Scotia

by Sherri B.       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

The only thing with this article is that along with that carriers he names that are going he adds some are "likely" to go. I'm going to email him and ask him to site his source.

Massive US naval armada heads for Iran

Now I'm not discounting the potential seriousness of it but the author! LOL, look on the right hand side of the article and read his bio. Holy crap, maybe he thinks he's Napoleon reincarnated.

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Seriously -- California computers can't perform pay cut because of COBOL

This state is run by idiots and we're idiots for not launching massive impeachments of everyone that acts out of turn.

Sherri B.
Yeah, Armada guy ("the Right Honorable The Earl of Stirling, hereditary Governor & Lord Lieutenant of Canada, Lord High Admiral of Nova Scotia) sounds like he knows what he's talking about with the armada details, but ... sounding like he knows what he's talking doesn't mean he does.

Still ... worry. :\
Helen & Harry

My email to Armada guy:

Good article. I've noticed though that you've repeated that some carriers were "likely" to join the armada. For example:
 
Excerpt: Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone.

Also likely to join the battle armada:

UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal Carrier Strike Group with assorted guided missile destroyers and frigates, nuclear hunter-killer submarines and support ships

French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships

Various other US Navy warships and submarines and support ships. The following USN ships took part (as the "enemy" forces) in Operation Brimstone and several may join in:

USS San Jacinto (CG56) guided missile cruiser
USS Anzio (CG68) guided missile cruiser
USS Normandy (CG60) guided missile cruiser
USS Carney (DDG64) guided missile destroyer
USS Oscar Austin (DDG79) guided missile destroyer
USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG81) guided missile destroyer
USS Carr (FFG52) guided missile frigate

How do you know these will join the Armada for certain?

And his reply to me:

I do not have access to war plans and could not publicize them if I did. Since these ships were in the war games it is a good possibility that some will be involved. If you have loved ones on one of the ships, just keep them in your prayers.

Yours in Christ,
Tim Earl of Stirling
Europe -- A blog...

This may be a whack job alert.

Sherri B.
Yeah, his advice is to pray? I'm doing that already, and most days I don't even believe in God.
Helen & Harry

Amen to that.

Sherri B.
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Running

by Siskiyousis       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re One tsunami after another by Pavel C.
I bet the entire 2010's are devoted to trying to recover the economy!
Or running away from it...

Siskiyousis
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Absolute equality no matter what

by MonkeyMan       Saturday, August 9, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Genetic engineering by MonkeyMan

How about a Common Sense Party? Or a Trekker Party? A party that stands for absolute equality no matter what color or gender a person is, no matter where they were born, who they sleep with, or how much money they have. I guess my party would have to be the Idealist Party. I am like a cat who looks at the world through mouse colored glasses. When I look around I see possibility, I see the way things should be, not as they are. I get disappointed a lot. :)

MonkeyMan
I'd pledge allegiance to a Common Sense Party like that, enthusiastically.
Helen & Harry
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Dialogue  for
Saturday, August 9, 2008 

Still crazy after all these years
by Angry Annie
McCain's media shield by Janice Lester
Beating Krugman by JR Mooneyham
A.P.'s latest scoop of kitty litter
by Jesus Jones
Truth v. Bullsh*t by Clayton Barnes
The toady of your choice by Chris M.
The damage is done, it's too late
by Kathy Fisher
The relevant struggle by Herb Ruhs, MD
Lord High Admiral of Nova Scotia
by Sherri B.
Running by Siskiyousis
Absolute equality no matter what
by MonkeyMan

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