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GM and Ford put out the begging bowls

by Siegfried Lemelson       Sunday, August 23, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

GM and Ford are asking for $50 billion of Federally guaranteed "loans" with few restrictions on how the money can be spent, supposedly to build the next generation of American cars. If only it were that simple... if it were, Honda and Toyota would already have done it -- profitably.

And there is no guarantee that even $50 billion of new loans would save these companies. GM is so far in debt now the only way to save the situation is to do the following: 1) create national healthcare system and relieve GM of this expense; and 2) put the company into bankruptcy and turn over the assets and jobs to competent management -- the pensions will need to be taken over by the PBGC, of course. Extending more freebies to Ford and GM simply ensures that the US will become a bankrupt socialist republic with none of the benefits of socialism for the working class (since only the wealthy are now being bailed out by the government.)

GM, Ford seek $50 billion from US, double request

MEANWHILE, in an ominous sign foretelling of the horrors to come, one of the few productive elements of government has had to shut down due to overwhelming demand for their product (that's right -- too many customers is forcing them to shut down!@#$?)

US Mint SUSPENDS Sales of American Eagle gold coins
 
Excerpt: In a memo to dealers dated Aug. 15, Cathy Laperle, a Mint official, said: ``Due to the unprecedented demand for American Eagle Gold One Ounce Bullion coins, our inventories have been depleted. We are therefore temporarily suspending all sales of these coins. We are working diligently to build up our inventory and hope to resume sales shortly.

Siegfried Lemelson
Mike D. replies, Leehar24 replies, Obbop replies, Siskiyousis replies       unknownnews@inbox.com



The human food chain

by JR Mooneyham       Sunday, August 23, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Race isn't the reason for Obama's slide

Related link:

What an ASS!   Obama's audacious overconfidence and outrageous ego

Research shows that the McCains own eight to eleven houses

McCain, Obama, and "the rich"
 
Excerpt: According to estimates prepared by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, those Obama tax increases would fall overwhelmingly on people with incomes of more than $200,000 a year. Are such people rich? Well, maybe not: some of those Mr. Obama proposes taxing are only denizens of lower Richistan, although the really big tax increases would fall on upper Richistan. But one thing's for sure: Mr. Obama isn't planning to raise taxes on the middle class, by any reasonable definition -- even that of the Bush administration.

Related quotes and link:

"Those households making between $18,000 and $145,000 may be considered low to intermediate level 'middle-class', while those making between roughly $145,000 and $400,000 are 'upper' middle-class."

"The 'poorest' rich: around 773,800 families or households making between $400,000 and $1 million a year"

"The 'plain' rich: about 225,800 families or households making between $1 million and $175 million a year"

"The super rich: 200 families or households making between $175 million and $1000 million plus ($one billion plus) a year each"

The super-rich, the 'plain' rich, the 'poorest' rich... and everyone else
Life at the top of the human food chain...
Everything you might want to know about wealth and the richest among us

JR Mooneyham  (www.jrmooneyham.com/)
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Too many mansions to count

by SirJ       Sunday, August 23, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Petraeus retreats under fire by SirJ

Yes. It's tame and limp just like the rest of the Democratic electioneering this year. Here's has a better idea: show a picture of each house together with the value of each house. Here they are:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
Phoenix AZ
Coronado, CA
Sedona, AZ
Coronado, CA
La Jolla, CA
Arlington, VA
Grand Total...
$4,660,000
$2,100,000
$1,942,365
$2,705,040
$1,000,000
$847,800
$13,255,205

I don't know what happened to # 7. I've read somewhere that some of these are PROPERTIES, not houses. There may be more than 1 dwelling per property, making him the owner of more than 6 (or 7) "homes."

SirJ
I've read a lot of unsourced material claiming McCain owns more than seven homes or "properties". TPM is saying they own at least eight, and maybe more than eleven, depending on how and what you count. That YouTube'd thing is good for a viral video, spread the word, but it's too long for a television ad, and tragically, TV is still where people are going to make their decisions.
Helen & Harry

No wonder McCain can't remember how many homes he has. One "home" is actually SEVEN houses!

From guardian.co.uk:
 
Excerpt: The most distinctive is probably the McCain ranch in Sedona, where McCain played host to several potential vice-presidential candidates earlier in the campaign, though the description of it as a "ranch" sometimes irritates his opponents. "McCain doesn't graze cattle or sheep," the liberal Arizona blogger David Safier wrote recently. "He doesn't sell meat or wool. He has about 15 acres of land in Oak Creek near Sedona with a large vacation home ... and about six smaller guest houses... 'Ranch' evokes images of cowboys and horses and cattle roundups ... it makes McCain and [President George] Bush seem like virile, independent men of the land."

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Are you enjoying the fake Olympics?

Yup, I'm enjoying the fake Olympics. The fake architecture is fun also! But here's two Chinese who are not enjoying the Olympics one bit...

Elderly Chinese women are ordered to labor camp
for asking permission to protest during Olympics
 
Excerpt: Two elderly Chinese women who applied to hold a protest during the Olympics were ordered to spend a year in a labor camp, a relative said Wednesday.

The women were still at home three days after being officially notified that they would have to serve a yearlong term of re-education through labor, but were under surveillance by a government-backed neighborhood group, said Li Xuehui, the son of one of the women.

Li said no cause was given for the order to imprison his 79-year-old mother, Wu Dianyuan, and her neighbor Wang Xiuying, 77.

"Wang Xiuying is almost blind and disabled. What sort of reeducation through labor can she serve?" Li said. "But they can also be taken away at any time."

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Obama sued in Philadelphia federal court on grounds
he is constitutionally ineligible for the presidency


And some say McCain ain't a citizen and can't be president...

SirJ
I don't think anyone who matters cares about such constitutional requirements, or Dick Cheney wouldn't have been eligible to run for Vice President. He was a resident of the same state as George Bush, and golly McFolly, that's unconstitutional, but it didn't stop him. Nothing yet has stopped him.

I'm doubtful about that "Obama gets sued" link -- it's from something called The Hillary Project, a website that's deceptively designed to look exactly like McClatchy Newspapers' sites, and they've swiped the article from something called America's Right.com, an obvious right-wing site. A quick Google news search for Philip Berg, the guy we're told has filed the lawsuit, comes up blank, and that's strike three. On news this sketchy, we usually sit on it for a day and then check again, to see if it's mentioned by any source we semi-trust...
Helen & Harry
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Obama's health program

by Wig       Sunday, August 23, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Iraqi negotiator says US agreed to full withdrawal by 2011
 
Excerpt: "There is a provision that says the withdrawal could be done even before 2011 or extended beyond 2011 depending on the [security] situation," he said.

It's (of course) in the details.

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Obama camp has many ties to wife's employer

You may have known of this article but I call your attention to it because it gives some light as to the direction Obama may be headed in his plans for the direction of universal health care. It's a rather lengthy article but is quite informative of both the Obama's past activity. When all is said and done the initiative Michelle came up with merely shifted the poor from flooding the hospital ER room to flooding the clinic rooms.

Wig
Obama never speaks of universal health care, only of health care "reform". McCain makes at best rhetorical nods toward the issue, but I don't think he even considers anything about US health care to be a serious problem.
Helen & Harry

Well (of course) it' all boils down to the semantics of political speeches. The article in question calls attention to Michelle's input into medical needs. So it may be an indication of the possibility it may figure into Obama's position. Then again Michelle may end up as Hillary did when she attempted to have a position adopted.

Wig
I read half the article before it started to annoy me too much. Mainstream coverage often has that effect on me.

I don't mean to be depressing, but if universal health care is what you want I wouldn't expect much from an Obama administration. Seems much more likely to me that, if Obama is allowed to win, his people would 'tinker' with the current system, perhaps make some superficial improvements.

Then again (fingers crossed) I've heard old-timers tell me that FDR and Kennedy both ran as moderates, and only became liberals once they were in office. Hope springs infernal.
Helen & Harry

I recall reading a book about the FDR years in which it reported FDR once chastised Eleanor over her distress at his slow attempt at easing the discrimination policies of the country, and told her there had to be incremental steps to bring public opinion around to change. History proved him right.

The Depression brought the public around to the idea that government had a role to play in helping people to overcome poverty and advance social conditions. The second world war gave a boost to employing blacks in the industrial workplace because of the war need for more workers in the factories. That in turn brought the blacks into the union movement. From there on the public was more adaptable to the use of government in social policies.

Obama's lofty oratory is full of fluff but scarce on detail. His pronouncements about health care are all over the place. Roosevelt was always a liberal but chose to achieve his goals by bringing the so-called moderate Democrats around to the liberal viewpoint. His only rush to achieve the liberal viewpoint that went awry was the attempt to "pack" the Supreme Court. The country wasn't quite ready for that move. Fortunately fate gave him the opportunity to bring the court around.

Obama's claim to be the agent of change by being able to work across party line to achieve it leaves me ROFLMAO. I see no basis to believe that, in view of the complete toe the line attitude exhibited by the Republicans in the Congress for the last 15 years. But I apologize for bending your ear over this. I'm afraid I've become the last of the FDR yankee bloody liberals.

Wig
You can bend my ear anytime.

There actually is a lot of detail behind Obama's rhetoric, but it's all on his website, rarely in his speeches. Details make crappy speeches, I guess. Problem is, the details of Obama's announced plans are, from what I've skimmed of them, depressingly mild and moderate, and -- rather like his namby-pamby talk of bipartisanship, as if Republicans would allow that -- nowhere near the ass-kicking leadership America needs after almost three decades of Republican leadership and eight years of blatant criminality in the White House.

We are aboard the Titanic headed full speed ahead for the icebergs, and Obama proposes a 10% reduction in the ship's speed and maybe a snappier arrangement of 'Nearer my God to Thee' for the band...
Helen & Harry
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The story would never make it

by Chris M.       Sunday, August 23, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Thinking outside the square finds light in oven
 
Excerpt: She has developed a simple, cheap way of producing solar cells in a pizza oven that could eventually bring power and light to the 2 billion people in the world who lack electricity.

Ms Kuepper is a PhD student and lecturer in the school of photovoltaic and renewable energy engineering at the University of NSW.

"I love working with passionate people who want to help address climate change and poverty by thinking and experimenting outside the square," she said.

Today's photovoltaic cells that convert sunlight to electricity are expensive and need sophisticated, "clean" manufacturing plants.

Ms Kuepper realized a new approach would be needed if affordable cells were to be made on site in poorer countries: "What started off as a brainstorming session has resulted in the iJET cell concept that uses low-cost and low-temperature processes, such as ink-jet printing and pizza ovens, to manufacture solar cells."

This is such a great idea. Now do you think for one minute this kind of thing would happen here ?? Not a chance in hell. Even if it did, you can rest assured that the story would never make it to the corporate mainstream media. The idea would be buried post haste.

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Interesting comment by David Brooks on Friday's PBS NEWS HOUR. "The middle class does not hate the rich or super rich." This is probably true because they still believe that they (the middle class and lower) can still become like the rich.

I have a flash for them. Ain't no way gonna happen. In fact a poor gutter snipe in 17th century London had a better chance of becoming king than they have of becoming rich.

Chris M.
Can't argue that, but I find it impossible to imagine an interesting comment by David Brooks.
Helen & Harry
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Is Vincent Wadley still alive?

by May       Sunday, August 23, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Man recovering after being shot by officer
 
Excerpt: A 23-year-old man in police custody was shot over the weekend when police say he grabbed an Arlington officer's stun gun.

Vincent Wadley was arrested after a traffic stop about 9 p.m. Sunday, police said. While Officer Juan Rodriguez was driving, Mr. Wadley, whose hands were cuffed behind his back, kicked the partition glass in the patrol car and moved his hands to the front of his body, said Arlington Police Lt. Blake Miller.

Officer Rodriguez stopped the car, and as the two struggled, Mr. Wadley grabbed the officer's stun gun and used it against him, Lt. Miller said. Officer Rodriguez shot Mr. Wadley when he advanced toward him, still armed.

Mr. Wadley was recovering at Methodist Dallas Medical Center. Officer Rodriguez, was treated for minor injuries at the scene.

Officer Rodriguez has been placed on administrative leave as is standard. Lt. Miller said the department anticipates filing charges against Mr. Wadley for aggravated assault on a police officer.

Here's another version of the story that made it to a cop forum, with important details such as the NAMES being glaringly absent.

A lot of the comments will probably upset you, like the 9th comment by "ds212," who claims to be a cop ... who works out of Moody, AL:

"1st thing i would have done was tase his butt, no getting him out of the unit, just keep on shooting the volts until the crap hit the britches, it really is cool watching 'em shake. glad our brother wasn't hurt "

I don't know how to confirm if this ... guy is really a cop or not. If you have any ideas how to check, go for it. Otherwise, I don't want to let this sadistic weirdo distract from the real story. And the real story is WHAT HAPPENED TO VINCENT WADLEY?

From Google searches, here's what I can piece together... It seems that a guy in Arlington, TX named Vincent Wadley was stopped by cop named Juan Rodriguez due to some kind of traffic violation. Mr. Wadley was restrained, handcuffed, and placed into the back of Rodriguez's car. A glass partition separated Wadley from the driver. Strangely, Vincent Wadley never made it to the police station. Instead Mr. Wadley ended up in the hospital with multiple gunshot wounds inflicted by Juan Rodriguez' gun.

So what's Officer Rodriguez' version? Did Wadley tase him or not? Was any of this captured on video? Were there any witnesses besides Rodriguez? Why didn't Rodriguez just ignore Wadley's antics and finish bringing the guy to the police station? Why did Rodriguez stop, and allow the Mr. Wadley to leave the car? Could a shooting have been avoided? A cop shoots an arrested and handcuffed prisoner before reaching the police station?

This story should be all over the news. I can't figure out why it isn't. So is Vincent Wadley still alive? And if so, what is his version of the story?

Sorry for more bad news, you guys.

May
If it was more than just a rhetorical question when you wondered why this isn't all over the news, I'd just say that stories about bad cops rarely make headlines unless there's video, because unless there's video the benefit of all doubt always goes to the cop.
Helen & Harry
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We're #1

by Old Salt       Sunday, August 23, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Talk about hating America!!! Just a lot of anti-American diatribes. Putin should send you some ruples to say thanks for helping Russia and working to make everyone believe the USA is evil. You are just losers unwilling to stand up for your own nation but last time I checked America is #1 in freedom and wealth and charity and moral standing.

Old Salt
"Last time you checked..."? Just out of curiosity, how long ago was that?
Helen & Harry
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Dialogue  for
Saturday, August 23, 2008 

GM and Ford put out the begging bowls by Siegfried Lemelson
The human food chain by JR Mooneyham
Too many mansions to count by SirJ
In the details by Wig
The story would never make it by Chris M.
Is Vincent Wadley still alive? by May
We're #1 by Old Salt

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