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But now there is no hope

by Mr Chuckles       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Interview With Jim Rogers and part 2

This is good stuff. Rogers is the ex-partner of George Soros. He moved his entire family from the US to Singapore because he believes that Asia will dominate in the future, so he isn't just a blow-hard, he is a man of action.

According to Rogers, most Americans don't know how bad things are really. Not a clue. Last week the markets began to believe in all-but-certain Fed bail-out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That's another few trillion right there -- while Freddie and Fannie continue merrily in business digging the holes deeper. Soon the GM/Ford bail-out and when do people come to the realization that they, the American citizens, are being ripped off? How many understand that Social Security and Medicare have problems which could have been fixed, but now there is no hope because all of the future was obliterated during the Bush years?

Another point he makes is that only a crisis (which forces change) or a miracle of good fortune could turn things around. And I think the US is too big for a miraculous event of the necessary size -- it would have to be a $10 trillion jackpot (and would probably be looted by D.C. anyway...)

Mr Chuckles
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Philly Phil

by SirJ       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Too many mansions to count by SirJ

Dick Cheney was and is the unitary resident of the D. of C., i.e. the District of Cheney. Thus, there is no conflict of residency status between himself and George.

I'm from the Philly area and I recognize the name "Philip J. Berg" as a lawyer/politician in the area. His name pops up from time to time in the news. Whether he did file suit as has been claimed, we'll have to wait and see. He has made the local news in a very minor confirmatory way...

Raining on Barack's parade
 
Excerpt: Barack Obama's presidential campaign has faced so many false rumors about his family history that it has put his birth certificate on the Internet: he was born in Honolulu, nearly two years after Hawaii became a state, making Obama a US citizen by birth.

But that hasn't stopped Montgomery County lawyer Philip J. Berg from challenging Obama's qualifications to be president.

Berg, a Hillary Clinton supporter, announced he's filing a federal lawsuit today, claiming that Obama lost his citizenship when his mother relocated the family to Indonesia when Barack was a boy.

Under the law, however, moving to a foreign country does not negate an American's citizenship.

Berg said that he's acting on his own, not as an agent for the Clinton campaign. Republicans were prepared to file a similar lawsuit after the Democratic convention, he said.

SirJ
Appreciated, SirJ.
Helen & Harry
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Obama's awfully naïve

by JR Mooneyham       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

I know you think Obama knows what he's doing. But I disagree. He seems awfully naive about some very important issues, as well as over-confident to the point of arrogance. Both usually signs of an immature and/or inexperienced person. Yeah, that's better than a truly demented and perhaps evil man like McCain.  ... Read the rest ... 

JR Mooneyham  (www.jrmooneyham.com/)
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Dinosaurs

by Leehar24       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re GM and Ford put out the begging bowls by Siegfried Lemelson

Fuck them both. They both brought this bankruptcy upon themselves by ignoring the looming threat in favor of short term profit for the execs and boards. They have lost the will to innovate. They remain steadfastly mired in the fifties. Let the dinosaurs die.

Leehar24
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The everlasting if

by Mike D.       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re GM and Ford put out the begging bowls by Siegfried Lemelson

If they would stop building such crappy cars...

Mike D.
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Perhaps

by Blue Bunting       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Petraeus retreats under fire by SirJ

Perhaps Petraeus can tell us what the Pentagon did with another missing $2.3 TRILLION ...

Blue Bunting
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Deserted by the Democrats

by Wig       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re Obama's health program by Wig
after almost three decades of Republican leadership
Precisely why I'm so turned off with the choices today. I don't see any "change" with either presidential nominee. Obama's "change" is superficial façade and McCain's is superficial bluster.

Wig
I want to disagree, but it's difficult. Obama, I think, at worst represents a rollback to Clinton-era scumbaggery, and I think that's worth my vote. Sigh.
Helen & Harry

Severely disappointed with Obama-Biden ticket
 
Excerpt: I'm weighing my options. Let's just say that today, I'm underwhelmed and greatly disappointed. Is McCain and whomever he picks as a running mate any better? Of course not. But if you don't think choosing between two disappointing scenarios is depressing, well, you're not me.

Stay tuned. I'll ultimately decide whether I will vote for the Democratic ticket or vote down ticket only. This site will continue to support the Democratic ticket, and keep in mind there are three authors here and the other two are bound to be more pro the Obama -- Biden than I am, but my support is lukewarm right now -- at best.

I can't imagine voting for a candidate I can't clap for. I'll be in the Pepsi Center for their speeches. John Kerry would not have been my pick in 2004, but I respected him and believed he'd make a good President. I became enthusiastic about the ticket when John Edwards came on board. Read these posts of my reactions to their speeches in Boston in 2004. I just don't see how I can even come close to those feelings here in Denver next week.

I'm going to try to get on board, but the ship seems to have sailed without me.

Perhaps you don't care to read this Post and the comments for lack of time. However, the comments so impressed upon me the fact that I'm not alone in my feeling that the Democratic Party has deserted ME.

Wig
Actually, I was looking for someone to articulately share my disappointment, and again, I want to disagree but really I can't. I'm not sure the Democratic Party has ever been progressive in my lifetime, but they've sure tried not to be progressive in recent elections, and it's just a perpetual splash of cold water in the face, ain't it? The Democrats haven't given me a Presidential candidate I could support with anything approaching enthusiasm since ... well, jeez, I'm flipping back in my mind through every four years to before I was old enough to vote, and I'm still not coming up with a name. Obama, sigh, was my third choice this time around has a certain charm that's undeniable, but the charm has worn off for me, and it's going to be an unpleasant challenge to vote for him.
Helen & Harry
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Bait and switch

by Siskiyousis       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re GM and Ford put out the begging bowls by Siegfried Lemelson

...the loans requested by the auto makers sound like a bait-and-switch scheme to me, but then I don't trust them any more than I trust McCain.

Isn't it obvious that they do not have the gold to cover the manufacture of coins, much less back up the paper currency?

Siskiyousis
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Just obey

by Obbop       Sunday, August 24, 2008         PERMANENT LINK  

Re GM and Ford put out the begging bowls by Siegfried Lemelson

Why would upper-management care about long-term corporate existence when those folks earn more in a few months than the vast majority of Americans earn from a life-time of labor?

Add in life-long health insurance, free, of the best type and their golden parachutes and all the perks there is no real incentive to do what needs done at any stage of a corporation's life.

Of course, the supporters of the current status quo will spew that is was/is the "free market" that set those wages and benefits.

Uh huh.

Yeah.

Just as departing federal level politicos earn mega-millions of dollars from speaking fees and sitting on corporate boards (perhaps meeting once a day yearly) and receiving wondrous benefits... all for not defying the will of the elite class and corporate America.

It's the "free market"!!!!!!

Accept it ye mere commoners.

Just obey.

The elite's jack-booted thugs are ready to ensure you do obey.

Now, back to the thrills and chills of the current presidential election farce that diverts your minimal attention from reality.

It is so easy to lead a nation of sheep. Non-rational unthinking sheep.

Obey.

Obbop
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Dialogue  for
Sunday, August 24, 2008 

But now there is no hope by Mr Chuckles
Philly Phil by SirJ
Obama's awfully naïve by JR Mooneyham
Dinosaurs by Leehar24
The everlasting if by Mike D.
Perhaps by Blue Bunting
Deserted by the Democrats by Wig
Bait and switch by Siskiyousis
Just obey by Obbop

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